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Because looking at pure economics, electrics were not competitive until recently.

by cameldrv 7y ago

Gibbon1 7y ago
The genius about the Tesla Roadster was it was competitive at the price level of very expensive toys.
- cameldrv 7y ago
  Yes. Musk has been exceptional at figuring out markets to drive a tech up the experience curve that aren’t his ultimately desired market. Often it takes multiple companies to do that.
  - Gibbon1 7y ago
    Maybe five years ago I observed that Nissan and Tesla were homing in on the same market from opposite directions. Tesla built the Roadster which is a toy. Then the Luxo Model X and S Sedans followed by the affordable Model 3. Nissan built the affordable but limited range Leaf and just kept increasing the range every other year or so. They basically started each with one type of suck (Tesla=Price, Nissan=Range) and worked to reduce over time.
    - woodandsteel 7y ago
      I never realized that before, but you're right.
    - Retric 7y ago
      Oddly the leaf sales peek in 2014 then heavily fall back. http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/nissan/nissan-leaf/ http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/nissan/nissan-leaf... So, I am not sure if they are actually moving the right direction vs introducing new car with better specks and keeping the leaf as cheap as possible. PS: I am guessing a reverse halo effect is going on.
      - Gibbon1 7y ago
        It'll be interesting. Leaf have a not good rep vs battery life. Probably because of poor thermal management and a smaller (more highly stressed) battery pack. And short range. But interesting to see what happens with the Leaf Plus over the next couple of years. (200 mile range more power).
      - de_watcher 7y ago
        Hyundai and Renault have better offers now.
    - llampx 7y ago
      It makes sense to go for the premium segment if you can sell in it. I do doubt that Nissan could have sold a Roadster under their brand, but stranger things have happened. As it is, Nissan has cemented the Leaf = bad range association in people's minds.

Because looking at pure economics, electrics were not competitive until recently.

Gibbon1 7y ago

The genius about the Tesla Roadster was it was competitive at the price level of very expensive toys.

cameldrv 7y ago
Yes. Musk has been exceptional at figuring out markets to drive a tech up the experience curve that aren’t his ultimately desired market. Often it takes multiple companies to do that.
- Gibbon1 7y ago
  Maybe five years ago I observed that Nissan and Tesla were homing in on the same market from opposite directions. Tesla built the Roadster which is a toy. Then the Luxo Model X and S Sedans followed by the affordable Model 3. Nissan built the affordable but limited range Leaf and just kept increasing the range every other year or so. They basically started each with one type of suck (Tesla=Price, Nissan=Range) and worked to reduce over time.
  - woodandsteel 7y ago
    I never realized that before, but you're right.
  - Retric 7y ago
    Oddly the leaf sales peek in 2014 then heavily fall back. http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/nissan/nissan-leaf/ http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/nissan/nissan-leaf... So, I am not sure if they are actually moving the right direction vs introducing new car with better specks and keeping the leaf as cheap as possible. PS: I am guessing a reverse halo effect is going on.
    - Gibbon1 7y ago
      It'll be interesting. Leaf have a not good rep vs battery life. Probably because of poor thermal management and a smaller (more highly stressed) battery pack. And short range. But interesting to see what happens with the Leaf Plus over the next couple of years. (200 mile range more power).
    - de_watcher 7y ago
      Hyundai and Renault have better offers now.
  - llampx 7y ago
    It makes sense to go for the premium segment if you can sell in it. I do doubt that Nissan could have sold a Roadster under their brand, but stranger things have happened. As it is, Nissan has cemented the Leaf = bad range association in people's minds.