> Instead of doing the sensible thing and saying what terrestrial things could this be and demonstrating it is not them That was already done by the Navy befor

> Instead of doing the sensible thing and saying what terrestrial things could this be and demonstrating it is not them That was already done by the Navy before releasing this, not to mention many other skeptics. Do you have a new idea? I read some on another HN thread active on this topic. The most credible one seems like advanced EW jammers to produce a bogie on the atflir video, but it doesn't explain the visual sightings or simultaneous passive radar sightings with atflir readings. And to my knowledge, EW is used on lower frequencies where long distance radar typically operates; not sure if it even works on IR. If you've ever worked on defense projects, you may know they aren't exactly hotbeds of innovation these days, so while it is possible that they could have independently come up with a propulsion based on new physics and misdirected other branches of the government about it, that seems as unlikely to me as extraterrestrials do to you. Nonetheless, this being a domestic highly-classified craft is another option you can choose to believe. As I already said, the monitoring part is just my guess -- and there were plenty of steps in between seeing this video and coming to that conclusion. The only thing I would try to persuade anyone of is that it wasn't made by humans. Which has pretty profound implications as it is. I do encourage you to do your own research (the two links I posted are a good place to start). Don't nitpick just so you can stick your head back in the sand (you're clearly aware of human nature, now fight it!). I'm no expert and I'm no more qualified to decipher the likely incomprehensible intentions of an advanced civilization than you are. However, I do try to be open minded and I'm fascinated by this, and compelled by the amount of evidence that already exists.