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Exactly. Will this new platform provide a safe space for the brilliant minds at /r/fatpeoplehate? /s The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that the

Exactly. Will this new platform provide a safe space for the brilliant minds at /r/fatpeoplehate? /s The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default, because only people who get deplatformed have an incentive to move there, and it’s mostly hateful loudmouths who get deplatformed.

Chris_Chambers 7y ago
The problem with all pro-censorship platforms is that they become hivemind platforms by default, because only people who are worried about catering to the specific opinions of the site hivemind have an incentive to stay there, and it’s mostly smoothbrain dipshits who stay there. By the way, go fuck yourself.
archie2 7y ago
Personally, I think the solution is just to give users options to censor others from their perspective instead of just trying to create some utopia that is free from hatred of any kind - which is impossible. Personally, I prefer having these disgusting people out in the open. When they do something horrendous, the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them. These people are usually proud of their deviancy and advertise it without shame. The notion that if we just ban all the sick people they will just go away and never do anything evil is ludicrous. The evil is already in their hearts, hiding it won't heal it.
- mehhh 7y ago
  This creates echo chambers like 4chan, 8chan, pleroma.site, gab.com & /r/The_Donald where likeminded people gather and decide bashing in the heads of LGBTQ+ people like myself is perfectly acceptable, and proceed to act out their hate in my community (Ballard, WA). My fellow trans and gay friends have lived in Seattle without issue for decades, but now Nazis are coming here from rural Washington to attempt to murder us. This is a huge change from the past, and SPD's hate crime statistics are up significantly due to this.
  - archie2 7y ago
    chans are completely open, uncenssored forums - from either side - not even remotely similar to what I'm advocating for. I have never once seen on The_Donald, even before their quarantine, any highly voted posts or comments advocating violence. The moderators regularly release transparency reports that show exactly all the things that they remove and their have been plenty of instances of people creating alts to post inflammatory things to get them in trouble. The vast majority of users condemn violence of any kind other than lawful self-defense. I also see plenty of openly LGBT people on there, and they are just as welcome in the forum as anyone else.
- hrktb 7y ago
  I think self managed censoring is equally impossible. It is twitter’s model, and it puts an incredible burden on the most targeted or vulnerable users. Or to get back to reddit, the model works for people who stay focused on a very limited set of subs; I think that would be close to your idea of personally tailored censoring, but it goes too far in the other direction IMO, unexpected information becomes very hard to reach people.
- hrktb 7y ago
  I think self managed censoring is equally impossible. It is twitter’s model, and it puts an incredible burden on the most targeted or vulnerable users. Or to get back to reddit, the model works for people who stay focused on a very limited set of subs (default filters are horrible); I think that would be close to your idea of personally tailored censoring, but it goes too far in the other direction IMO, unexpected information becomes very hard to reach people.
  - Iv 7y ago
    Twitter is just terribly done and does not really present a system, that tries to provide good tools for self-censoring. There are no way to downvote people or provide a score that can be used (even in a very optional way) by people who want to filter out the noise.
- Chris_Chambers 7y ago
  The truly evil people are those who are completely convinced they have the moral high ground when nothing could be further from the truth. You, for example.
- pjc50 7y ago
  Hearts and minds are not fixed. People can be recruited and radicalised. For every one person who'd do this stuff on their own there's a hundred who do it because they think it's popular. > the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them This usually comes out after they've carried out the mass shooting.
  - archie2 7y ago
    Unfortunately, you can't arrest someone that hasn't committed a crime.
- Iv 7y ago
  A thousand times this.
bduerst 7y ago
>The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default Popper's Paradox made reality. I still remember Voat blowing up because their lawyers started making them remove comments inciting violence.

Chris_Chambers 7y ago

The problem with all pro-censorship platforms is that they become hivemind platforms by default, because only people who are worried about catering to the specific opinions of the site hivemind have an incentive to stay there, and it’s mostly smoothbrain dipshits who stay there. By the way, go fuck yourself.

archie2 7y ago

Personally, I think the solution is just to give users options to censor others from their perspective instead of just trying to create some utopia that is free from hatred of any kind - which is impossible. Personally, I prefer having these disgusting people out in the open. When they do something horrendous, the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them. These people are usually proud of their deviancy and advertise it without shame. The notion that if we just ban all the sick people they will just go away and never do anything evil is ludicrous. The evil is already in their hearts, hiding it won't heal it.

mehhh 7y ago
This creates echo chambers like 4chan, 8chan, pleroma.site, gab.com & /r/The_Donald where likeminded people gather and decide bashing in the heads of LGBTQ+ people like myself is perfectly acceptable, and proceed to act out their hate in my community (Ballard, WA). My fellow trans and gay friends have lived in Seattle without issue for decades, but now Nazis are coming here from rural Washington to attempt to murder us. This is a huge change from the past, and SPD's hate crime statistics are up significantly due to this.
- archie2 7y ago
  chans are completely open, uncenssored forums - from either side - not even remotely similar to what I'm advocating for. I have never once seen on The_Donald, even before their quarantine, any highly voted posts or comments advocating violence. The moderators regularly release transparency reports that show exactly all the things that they remove and their have been plenty of instances of people creating alts to post inflammatory things to get them in trouble. The vast majority of users condemn violence of any kind other than lawful self-defense. I also see plenty of openly LGBT people on there, and they are just as welcome in the forum as anyone else.
hrktb 7y ago
I think self managed censoring is equally impossible. It is twitter’s model, and it puts an incredible burden on the most targeted or vulnerable users. Or to get back to reddit, the model works for people who stay focused on a very limited set of subs; I think that would be close to your idea of personally tailored censoring, but it goes too far in the other direction IMO, unexpected information becomes very hard to reach people.
hrktb 7y ago
I think self managed censoring is equally impossible. It is twitter’s model, and it puts an incredible burden on the most targeted or vulnerable users. Or to get back to reddit, the model works for people who stay focused on a very limited set of subs (default filters are horrible); I think that would be close to your idea of personally tailored censoring, but it goes too far in the other direction IMO, unexpected information becomes very hard to reach people.
- Iv 7y ago
  Twitter is just terribly done and does not really present a system, that tries to provide good tools for self-censoring. There are no way to downvote people or provide a score that can be used (even in a very optional way) by people who want to filter out the noise.
Chris_Chambers 7y ago
The truly evil people are those who are completely convinced they have the moral high ground when nothing could be further from the truth. You, for example.
pjc50 7y ago
Hearts and minds are not fixed. People can be recruited and radicalised. For every one person who'd do this stuff on their own there's a hundred who do it because they think it's popular. > the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them This usually comes out after they've carried out the mass shooting.
- archie2 7y ago
  Unfortunately, you can't arrest someone that hasn't committed a crime.
Iv 7y ago
A thousand times this.

bduerst 7y ago

>The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default Popper's Paradox made reality. I still remember Voat blowing up because their lawyers started making them remove comments inciting violence.