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Was there anyone there with you that also saw?

rblion 7y ago
Yes, 15 eyewitnesses at encounter #2 and 7 for encounter #3. The first one was just me alone backpacking. I doubted it until I realized this was not an uncommon thing to see based on other accounts I soon learned about.
- starpilot 7y ago
  Day or night? Quite a few of these turn out to be commercial airplanes at night.
  - rblion 7y ago
    Planes have blinking lights, right? These had none of those. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash... All the people there with me ruled out all the logical possibilities too, most of them were skeptics (including myself) before we saw them. We still joke about the ordeal when we see each other.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      > Planes have blinking lights, right? Not necessarily - they can be turned off, non-functional, or drowned out by a brighter light like the landing lights from a distance. > One of them disappeared in a flash... Or someone flipped the landing lights switch. I saw a C-17 at night while staying near Fort Drum that I was completely baffled by until it got close enough to properly make out. Had it stayed away, I'd have had one of those "inexplicable" encounters people talk about too.
      - rblion 7y ago
        There were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? Does 'formation flying' involve craft flying around in random non-linear fashion? There was a bunch of us and we discussed it for awhile, aircraft is the first thing we jumped to...
        ceejayoz 7y ago
        > There were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_flying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_flying That you're asking that question really makes it hard to credit the claim that you successfully ruled out "all the logical possibilities". edit: You edited in some additional, so: > Does 'formation flying' involve craft flying around in random non-linear fashion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight A distantly seen dogfight at night would involve afterburners (bright lights! and they'd wink on/off during maneuvering, when they're turned on/off, or when the plane turns to face towards you instead of away from you) and rapid random non-linear movements as described.
        ozzmotik 7y ago
        my only question is, how likely is it that anyone is going to actually be witness to a dogfight at any given time? seems like something that would be pretty rare.
        ceejayoz 7y ago
        Depends where you're located. I don't have an aviation map handy, but Beale AFB is less than 200 miles south of Mt. Shasta, and the Air Force trains continually.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        There were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? How close is "next to"? Aircraft tend to have multiple lights, many symmetrically positioned. And when it's closer than you think and maneuvering, it may look as if the lights are moving non-linearly. Disappearance of a light can be explained too - the plane maneuvered in a way that its wing or fuselage blocked your view of the light.
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    - starpilot 7y ago
      With a planefinder.net subscription you can look up historical flights and possibly determine if it was an aircraft. It happened here on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/cqa6ib/ufo_spotted_over_jackson_hole_wyoming_astronomers/ewvmynd/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/cqa6ib/ufo_spotted_ove...

Yes, 15 eyewitnesses at encounter #2 and 7 for encounter #3. The first one was just me alone backpacking. I doubted it until I realized this was not an uncommon thing to see based on other accounts I soon learned about.

starpilot 7y ago
Day or night? Quite a few of these turn out to be commercial airplanes at night.
- rblion 7y ago
  Planes have blinking lights, right? These had none of those. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash... All the people there with me ruled out all the logical possibilities too, most of them were skeptics (including myself) before we saw them. We still joke about the ordeal when we see each other.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    > Planes have blinking lights, right? Not necessarily - they can be turned off, non-functional, or drowned out by a brighter light like the landing lights from a distance. > One of them disappeared in a flash... Or someone flipped the landing lights switch. I saw a C-17 at night while staying near Fort Drum that I was completely baffled by until it got close enough to properly make out. Had it stayed away, I'd have had one of those "inexplicable" encounters people talk about too.
    - rblion 7y ago
      There were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? Does 'formation flying' involve craft flying around in random non-linear fashion? There was a bunch of us and we discussed it for awhile, aircraft is the first thing we jumped to...
      - ceejayoz 7y ago
        > There were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_flying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_flying That you're asking that question really makes it hard to credit the claim that you successfully ruled out "all the logical possibilities". edit: You edited in some additional, so: > Does 'formation flying' involve craft flying around in random non-linear fashion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight A distantly seen dogfight at night would involve afterburners (bright lights! and they'd wink on/off during maneuvering, when they're turned on/off, or when the plane turns to face towards you instead of away from you) and rapid random non-linear movements as described.
        ozzmotik 7y ago
        my only question is, how likely is it that anyone is going to actually be witness to a dogfight at any given time? seems like something that would be pretty rare.
        ceejayoz 7y ago
        Depends where you're located. I don't have an aviation map handy, but Beale AFB is less than 200 miles south of Mt. Shasta, and the Air Force trains continually.
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        There were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? How close is "next to"? Aircraft tend to have multiple lights, many symmetrically positioned. And when it's closer than you think and maneuvering, it may look as if the lights are moving non-linearly. Disappearance of a light can be explained too - the plane maneuvered in a way that its wing or fuselage blocked your view of the light.
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  - starpilot 7y ago
    With a planefinder.net subscription you can look up historical flights and possibly determine if it was an aircraft. It happened here on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/cqa6ib/ufo_spotted_over_jackson_hole_wyoming_astronomers/ewvmynd/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/cqa6ib/ufo_spotted_ove...