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Unions spoil workers in collusion with manglement. Manglement surrenders to wage demands and passes it on as higher prices and ups the use of robots which layts

Unions spoil workers in collusion with manglement. Manglement surrenders to wage demands and passes it on as higher prices and ups the use of robots which layts off workers. Those left are well paid and they are the older people and the company loses in the market place as imports enter. I recall a time with 500,000 workers at the big three. Now what? 35,000 or so left. The big problem is 4 year contracts and COLA clauses. a guy at $15 versus a guy at $35 with health and other benefits automatically paid as they climb. We need annual contracts, industry wide = no pattern bargaining where they harm the weakest to make them yield wage increases they can not afford and the USA weakens. max 1 year contract, You loes one month = a little over 8% of wages lost. No signing bonuses. 100% strike of all car makers so 2/3rds can not stay at work and cross subsidize the strikers. and in the COLA increase, the COLA is based on the average of workers. Fringe benefits, health, pensions, legals etc can be $30 PER HOUR all tax free. Make those taxable and allow the workers to have that fringe benefit as cash. The UAW exists is such a distorted world... I would like to see Snowden post all auto worker contracts on line and see how they have sucked money from us all and hurt tha nation.

SQueeeeeL 7y ago
I hear this argument brought up a lot relating to minimum wage at McDonalds. "IF THEY RAISE IT THEY'LL JUST FIRE EVERYONE". Guess what, they already started replacing cashiers with touch screens. Those 400k would've been replaced by robots whether or not the union was there, all that happened was while those 400k jobs were essential to making GM money, those workers got to have a decent life.
- godzillabrennus 7y ago
  McDonalds sees the writing on the wall with the minimum wage and living wage debates. They are proactively mitigating future issues with paying more money to employees.
- aurizon 7y ago
  The biggest problem is wage(with benefits) inequity with the UAW people consuming a total package cost of $65 or so per hour with a large pirtion made up of benefits and pensions and vacations, while the MacDonalds people get $15 plus?? Yet these people do jobs of similar complexity. The MacDonalds guys have to buy the cars the UAW guy makes - but they can not or can only by used ones. The UAW guys can buy all the burgers they want and have $$ left over. There is not such a wide disparity in Germany. In the USA the UAW and Management are bitter enemies, in Germany they have board seats - the UAW refuses these seats, they want a hostile basis, they do not want German style wage committees. These committees often ask for a smaller raise because too big a raise hurts the copmany and makes them pull too far ahead of the lower workers. Economies work best when all the workers can buy the products of each other. It is not surprise that German is the dynamo of europe. France is like a UAW paradise, workers versus management. You can not lay people off in France, so wheh you get more orders there are now new workers hired - you get longer delivery times. France is the drugged hippy of europe. The others, Greece, Spain, Italy etc fill in the middle and a few are at the bottom. All badly managed with greedy unions, except Germany. They vote socialist or communist, yet their socialist workers or communist workers run their countries into deep debt - but not Germany. Think about it.
godzillabrennus 7y ago
I think the biggest issues with unions is the focus on seniority over merit. Collective bargaining isn't a bad thing to counter the power of capital but the focus of a union needs to not be linked to how long you've been at a company.
- aurizon 7y ago
  Yes, seniority staffs the place with aged slackers.

SQueeeeeL 7y ago

I hear this argument brought up a lot relating to minimum wage at McDonalds. "IF THEY RAISE IT THEY'LL JUST FIRE EVERYONE". Guess what, they already started replacing cashiers with touch screens. Those 400k would've been replaced by robots whether or not the union was there, all that happened was while those 400k jobs were essential to making GM money, those workers got to have a decent life.

godzillabrennus 7y ago
McDonalds sees the writing on the wall with the minimum wage and living wage debates. They are proactively mitigating future issues with paying more money to employees.
aurizon 7y ago
The biggest problem is wage(with benefits) inequity with the UAW people consuming a total package cost of $65 or so per hour with a large pirtion made up of benefits and pensions and vacations, while the MacDonalds people get $15 plus?? Yet these people do jobs of similar complexity. The MacDonalds guys have to buy the cars the UAW guy makes - but they can not or can only by used ones. The UAW guys can buy all the burgers they want and have $$ left over. There is not such a wide disparity in Germany. In the USA the UAW and Management are bitter enemies, in Germany they have board seats - the UAW refuses these seats, they want a hostile basis, they do not want German style wage committees. These committees often ask for a smaller raise because too big a raise hurts the copmany and makes them pull too far ahead of the lower workers. Economies work best when all the workers can buy the products of each other. It is not surprise that German is the dynamo of europe. France is like a UAW paradise, workers versus management. You can not lay people off in France, so wheh you get more orders there are now new workers hired - you get longer delivery times. France is the drugged hippy of europe. The others, Greece, Spain, Italy etc fill in the middle and a few are at the bottom. All badly managed with greedy unions, except Germany. They vote socialist or communist, yet their socialist workers or communist workers run their countries into deep debt - but not Germany. Think about it.

godzillabrennus 7y ago

I think the biggest issues with unions is the focus on seniority over merit. Collective bargaining isn't a bad thing to counter the power of capital but the focus of a union needs to not be linked to how long you've been at a company.

aurizon 7y ago
Yes, seniority staffs the place with aged slackers.