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And they would be wrong. Liberation literature is not in the same category as hate screeds. I don't buy the moral abdication you're selling. You know what's evi

And they would be wrong. Liberation literature is not in the same category as hate screeds. I don't buy the moral abdication you're selling. You know what's evil - it's the stuff full of race hate and misogyny. There is no moral equivalence.

hnaccy 7y ago
Would a pamphlet against immigration be allowed? Would a pamphlet against abortion be allowed? Would a pamphlet against [Islam|Christianity| Judaism|Hinduism] be allowed? Would a pamphlet against Israel be allowed? Would a pamphlet against affirmative action be allowed?
DuskStar 7y ago
> Liberation literature is not in the same category as hate screeds. Just as one man's Freedom Fighter is another's Terrorist, this really depends on perspective. Das Kapital is kinda negative about capital holders, after all. > You know what's evil - it's the stuff full of race hate and misogyny. There is no moral equivalence. Is it all the stuff full of racial hatred and mistreatment of women? Because you're going to have a hell of a time banning the Torah, Bible and Koran - to say nothing of other religious texts.
journalctl 7y ago
It’s amazing how if you try to make a progressive political point here, you tend to get criticized. But when it comes time to judge the morality of things like racism or misogyny, suddenly it’s impossible to know the morality of any idea ever.
- lolinder 7y ago
  People aren't arguing that racism and misogyny are moral, they're arguing that if you allow any censorship at all, then someone must be appointed censor, and you may not agree with that someone. The only way to be sure that your ideas can be freely expressed is to allow everyone, no matter how immoral, to freely express their ideas.
tenaciousDaniel 7y ago
I don't know your politics but I'm going to assume you're progressive. There's an argument I've heard from many progressive activists, which basically states that the impact of your words/actions outweighs your intent. Assuming you agree with this, then why is Das Kapitall less dangerous/hateful/offensive/objectionable than Mein Kampf? The death toll is 50-80 million people from each book individually. That's the impact. Are you saying that the intent should be considered more important here? If so, why?

hnaccy 7y ago

Would a pamphlet against immigration be allowed? Would a pamphlet against abortion be allowed? Would a pamphlet against [Islam|Christianity| Judaism|Hinduism] be allowed? Would a pamphlet against Israel be allowed? Would a pamphlet against affirmative action be allowed?

DuskStar 7y ago

> Liberation literature is not in the same category as hate screeds. Just as one man's Freedom Fighter is another's Terrorist, this really depends on perspective. Das Kapital is kinda negative about capital holders, after all. > You know what's evil - it's the stuff full of race hate and misogyny. There is no moral equivalence. Is it all the stuff full of racial hatred and mistreatment of women? Because you're going to have a hell of a time banning the Torah, Bible and Koran - to say nothing of other religious texts.

journalctl 7y ago

It’s amazing how if you try to make a progressive political point here, you tend to get criticized. But when it comes time to judge the morality of things like racism or misogyny, suddenly it’s impossible to know the morality of any idea ever.

lolinder 7y ago
People aren't arguing that racism and misogyny are moral, they're arguing that if you allow any censorship at all, then someone must be appointed censor, and you may not agree with that someone. The only way to be sure that your ideas can be freely expressed is to allow everyone, no matter how immoral, to freely express their ideas.

tenaciousDaniel 7y ago

I don't know your politics but I'm going to assume you're progressive. There's an argument I've heard from many progressive activists, which basically states that the impact of your words/actions outweighs your intent. Assuming you agree with this, then why is Das Kapitall less dangerous/hateful/offensive/objectionable than Mein Kampf? The death toll is 50-80 million people from each book individually. That's the impact. Are you saying that the intent should be considered more important here? If so, why?