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Will this have any affect? I understand that nobody wants to make cars they can't sell in the state with the largest car market. However there is nothing to st

Will this have any affect? I understand that nobody wants to make cars they can't sell in the state with the largest car market. However there is nothing to stop California from indexing new car registration fees to some sort of measurement of MPG, pollution, etc. If they tack on HUGE fees to some of the worst offenders, wouldn't it have the same effect?

gamblor956 7y ago
However there is nothing to stop California from indexing new car registration fees to some sort of measurement of MPG, pollution, etc. If they tack on HUGE fees to some of the worst offenders, wouldn't it have the same effect? That's a great suggestion and actually one of the ones that has been tossed around in the Capitol if SCOTUS upholds Trump's decision, and possibly even if it doesn't.
- jigglesniggle 7y ago
  If the fees are applied only against non-California cars then it is likely those fees will be held to violate the interstate commerce clause due to being de facto discriminatory. Not that I agree with the outcome in this case. The interstate commerce clause is a horrible abuse. But that is what it is.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    Agreed, which is why California would apply them to all cars sold in CA or brought into the state. Essentially, they would just be an extension of existing state vehicle registration fees.
    - jigglesniggle 7y ago
      The test for violation of the interstate commerce clause doesn't care about intent. So, quite interestingly, if car manufacturers hadn't decided to only target CA emissions standards they would have been able to bring suit against CA if creating two models of everything was too difficult. Would the solution of only creating one model and selling that have been a valid reason for a federal court to dismiss such a suit? I think it unlikely, as that would give CA de facto control over a huge amount of economic activity outside of its borders.
robocat 7y ago
"Huge" fees leads to perverse effects if they increase the price of such an obvious status symbol as a car. The object becomes more desirable (the complete opposite intention of the fees) in part because wealthy influencers buy the object. A law acts differently because rich purchasers have to follow the same rules (almost!).
rasz 7y ago
there is always a way https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/heres-why-so-many-exotic-cars-have-montana-license-plates-256721 https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/heres-why-so-many-exotic...

gamblor956 7y ago

However there is nothing to stop California from indexing new car registration fees to some sort of measurement of MPG, pollution, etc. If they tack on HUGE fees to some of the worst offenders, wouldn't it have the same effect? That's a great suggestion and actually one of the ones that has been tossed around in the Capitol if SCOTUS upholds Trump's decision, and possibly even if it doesn't.

jigglesniggle 7y ago
If the fees are applied only against non-California cars then it is likely those fees will be held to violate the interstate commerce clause due to being de facto discriminatory. Not that I agree with the outcome in this case. The interstate commerce clause is a horrible abuse. But that is what it is.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Agreed, which is why California would apply them to all cars sold in CA or brought into the state. Essentially, they would just be an extension of existing state vehicle registration fees.
  - jigglesniggle 7y ago
    The test for violation of the interstate commerce clause doesn't care about intent. So, quite interestingly, if car manufacturers hadn't decided to only target CA emissions standards they would have been able to bring suit against CA if creating two models of everything was too difficult. Would the solution of only creating one model and selling that have been a valid reason for a federal court to dismiss such a suit? I think it unlikely, as that would give CA de facto control over a huge amount of economic activity outside of its borders.

robocat 7y ago

"Huge" fees leads to perverse effects if they increase the price of such an obvious status symbol as a car. The object becomes more desirable (the complete opposite intention of the fees) in part because wealthy influencers buy the object. A law acts differently because rich purchasers have to follow the same rules (almost!).

rasz 7y ago

there is always a way https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/heres-why-so-many-exotic-cars-have-montana-license-plates-256721 https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/heres-why-so-many-exotic...