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There will always be other manufactures willing to build and sell cars that are legal in California. > … the cost of making any car will go way up. Citation n

There will always be other manufactures willing to build and sell cars that are legal in California. > … the cost of making any car will go way up. Citation needed.

arcticbull 7y ago
Citation needed. [1] It's always cheaper to build two of the same thing than two different things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >It's always cheaper to build two of the same thing than two different things. Not if the second variant is cheap enough and/or will be sold in enough volume to recoup the fixed costs (engineering, tooling, etc) and still turn a profit. If that weren't the case you'd only be able to get cars in black. Edit: Is my math wrong or is reality inconvenient today?
  - bluGill 7y ago
    Recoup fixed costs is a requirement, but not cheaper to build. It can be more expensive so long as it recoups the costs. Cars often come with a choice of 4 vs 6 cylinder engine - it is cheaper to have just one, but some customers want the power from the more expensive 6, while others want either the cheaper or more fuel efficient 4 cylinder. Since enough of both variations are sold to pay for the costs they make both.
- bluGill 7y ago
  Manufactures go both ways on this. There are a lot of cars sold in the world, and California is a large enough market that it is worth designing an emissions system that works for them. Sometimes they have one car that works everywhere, sometimes they have a California car and a rest of world car, sometimes they have a model that they don't sell in California (this is rare). It gets more complex in fact: cars in Brazil often have two fuel tanks, a small one for gas (starting), and a big run for ethanol (running when engine is warm), as just one example of a market that gets something special. Most parts on a car are the same, and car makers know the differences. They often account for left vs right side drive in the design phase so the same general car can be sold either way. They often have many different engine variations that meet different legal or market needs from the same general engine castings. The trick is to figure out what variations are worth the cost and then manage them.
ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
Seriously, look at the packaging of anything that California thinks causes cancer nowadays. Chances are it notes it, specifically because it's not worth the money to print different labels. And those are labels, we're not talking about a car, which is obviously going to be more expensive.

There will always be other manufactures willing to build and sell cars that are legal in California. > … the cost of making any car will go way up. Citation needed.

arcticbull 7y ago

Citation needed. [1] It's always cheaper to build two of the same thing than two different things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>It's always cheaper to build two of the same thing than two different things. Not if the second variant is cheap enough and/or will be sold in enough volume to recoup the fixed costs (engineering, tooling, etc) and still turn a profit. If that weren't the case you'd only be able to get cars in black. Edit: Is my math wrong or is reality inconvenient today?
- bluGill 7y ago
  Recoup fixed costs is a requirement, but not cheaper to build. It can be more expensive so long as it recoups the costs. Cars often come with a choice of 4 vs 6 cylinder engine - it is cheaper to have just one, but some customers want the power from the more expensive 6, while others want either the cheaper or more fuel efficient 4 cylinder. Since enough of both variations are sold to pay for the costs they make both.
bluGill 7y ago
Manufactures go both ways on this. There are a lot of cars sold in the world, and California is a large enough market that it is worth designing an emissions system that works for them. Sometimes they have one car that works everywhere, sometimes they have a California car and a rest of world car, sometimes they have a model that they don't sell in California (this is rare). It gets more complex in fact: cars in Brazil often have two fuel tanks, a small one for gas (starting), and a big run for ethanol (running when engine is warm), as just one example of a market that gets something special. Most parts on a car are the same, and car makers know the differences. They often account for left vs right side drive in the design phase so the same general car can be sold either way. They often have many different engine variations that meet different legal or market needs from the same general engine castings. The trick is to figure out what variations are worth the cost and then manage them.

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago

Seriously, look at the packaging of anything that California thinks causes cancer nowadays. Chances are it notes it, specifically because it's not worth the money to print different labels. And those are labels, we're not talking about a car, which is obviously going to be more expensive.