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> I'd rather plow more resources into educating members of society of the consequences of their actions. And how has that worked for smoking levels in Japan,

> I'd rather plow more resources into educating members of society of the consequences of their actions. And how has that worked for smoking levels in Japan, South Korea - I would say they have pretty high levels of education, with no dearth of information on bad consequences of smoking. Edit: I think people are assuming I am for the ban. I am not for the ban. I don't think bans like this work. But plowing more resources into the education system is just not particularly effective at preventing addictive behaviors.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
Then that is their choice? Children play sports even though they break bones, people at desserts even though carbs and sugar are bad for you, people fly to island resorts for vacation even though it's destroying the planet. On the scale of things causing negative externalities to society, e-cigs are not at the top of my list. Although, the smell of cigarette smoke and its effects on others's lungs is of course harmful to others, so I could get behind stricter regulations or banning of those.
- sachdevap 7y ago
  I am not denying them their choice, nor am I in favor of the ban (I don't think bans work). I am saying that education does not dissuade addictive behaviors.
fwn 7y ago
I don't think it's fair to conclude that education failed just because peoples behavior deviates from the expected. The traditional idea behind education is enabling independent reason and judgement, not promoting specific consumption patterns.
- sachdevap 7y ago
  I didn't say education failed in general. I don't believe education works in dissuading addictive behaviors. Education isn't helping people pursue better diets, it is not dissuading people from binge drinking, and it is not going to prevent people from vaping.
ggreer 7y ago
If you measure outcomes, it has worked quite well. Japan's life expectancy is 84 years. South Korea's is 82. For comparison, the US is 78.5 and decreasing.
- sachdevap 7y ago
  Measuring the outcomes of education regarding smoking with life expectancy is a big leap. The biggest difference is diet, and that is not reinforced in their education system, but just a part of their culture.

lotsofpulp 7y ago

Then that is their choice? Children play sports even though they break bones, people at desserts even though carbs and sugar are bad for you, people fly to island resorts for vacation even though it's destroying the planet. On the scale of things causing negative externalities to society, e-cigs are not at the top of my list. Although, the smell of cigarette smoke and its effects on others's lungs is of course harmful to others, so I could get behind stricter regulations or banning of those.

sachdevap 7y ago
I am not denying them their choice, nor am I in favor of the ban (I don't think bans work). I am saying that education does not dissuade addictive behaviors.

fwn 7y ago

I don't think it's fair to conclude that education failed just because peoples behavior deviates from the expected. The traditional idea behind education is enabling independent reason and judgement, not promoting specific consumption patterns.

sachdevap 7y ago
I didn't say education failed in general. I don't believe education works in dissuading addictive behaviors. Education isn't helping people pursue better diets, it is not dissuading people from binge drinking, and it is not going to prevent people from vaping.

ggreer 7y ago

If you measure outcomes, it has worked quite well. Japan's life expectancy is 84 years. South Korea's is 82. For comparison, the US is 78.5 and decreasing.

sachdevap 7y ago
Measuring the outcomes of education regarding smoking with life expectancy is a big leap. The biggest difference is diet, and that is not reinforced in their education system, but just a part of their culture.