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And I’m sure that everyone who currently uses e-cigarettes in those countries will simply shake their heads and give up the habit. Which history clearly shows i

And I’m sure that everyone who currently uses e-cigarettes in those countries will simply shake their heads and give up the habit. Which history clearly shows is what happens when we ban a substance. Right? Yeah.... Not only is there vanishingly little “evidence” that e-cigarettes are harmful to health, most of the evidence we do have is for knock-off street THC or cheap Chinese juice. That’s hardly a logical reason to ban e-cigarettes entirely. Especially given the fact that many of these people will go back to smoking real cigarettes.

willis936 7y ago
The black market will inly grow when the substance is outlawed. These bans are effectively deregulating and needlessly endangering constituents.
- gpm 7y ago
  Unlike with cigarettes, black market production of e-cigarettes sounds unlikely. They're complex electronics that need large factories to build. Illegal importation from legal foreign factories will probably happen, but those foreign factories are going to be building to the same standard regardless, and compared to normal contraband like "plant leaves" it's going to be pretty easy to tell where they are coming from.
  - naoru 7y ago
    basic mech setup is a high drain battery connected to a coil with a wick through a high current switch. no rocket science here.
  - wgerard 7y ago
    > Unlike with cigarettes, black market production of e-cigarettes sounds unlikely. Wait, isn't that exactly the problem that's lead to what's happened here? Unregulated THC cartridges causing health issues in states where marijuana is still illegal?
    - gpm 7y ago
      There's a difference between E-Cigarettes and the consumables you place in them, I'm talking about the former while you're talking about the latter. India probably banned both though the article only discusses the former, if so banning the latter is unfortunate since as you note banning it has serious health risks.
      - wgerard 7y ago
        Sure, but clearly there's black market production for the latter. I guess I don't see why you think it's difficult for black market production to spring up for the former. By that I mean: I don't think the e-cigarettes themselves are wildly more complicated to produce than the cartridges--though I might be wrong on that.
  - Clubber 7y ago
    It's not the illicit devices that have been killing people, it's the illicit juices. Those can be made in your kitchen.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    Nah. We won't see as many regulated mods, but plenty of less user friendly options are easy to make. In the early days of cartos and whatnot we used to make our own with very simple stuff.
  - mcguire 7y ago
    Um, no, not so much. * https://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Vape-Pen-e-cig/ https://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Vape-Pen-e-cig/ * https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Electronic-Cigarette/ https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Electronic-Cigarette/ * https://hackaday.com/2014/09/13/homemade-e-cigarette-vaporizer/ https://hackaday.com/2014/09/13/homemade-e-cigarette-vaporiz... * https://modern-crafts.net/basics-for-building-your-own-box-mod/ https://modern-crafts.net/basics-for-building-your-own-box-m... Note: mechanical mods are a great way of setting your batteries on fire. Most regulated mods are built around a relatively small number of platforms (https://www.evolvapor.com/ https://www.evolvapor.com/), but there's no magic involved and if there aren't open-source hardware now, there will be soon. If you don't care about unit-cost, size, and scale, I'm absolutely sure any electronics hobbyist could build something as functional as most of the commercial platforms. I can see two obvious consequences of banning e-cigarettes: 1. The Arduino brigade whining loudly that they can't get the parts for their plant-moisture monitor "because you could build an e-cig with that." 2. A rise in trouser explosions from improperly constructed vapes. (Contraband rarely gets UL listed, right?) I would like to officially nominate the term "jake leg" for the resulting limp, in honor of a previous attempt at regulating morality in the name of public health. P.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KA40gBpDhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KA40gBpDhc
kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
The logical reason is that is permits excessively high nicotine dosing. This was also possible with gum and patches but they were prohibitively expensive for most people to do that.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  And where is this actually happening? In what numbers? Too much nic in your juice isn't even enjoyable (it's incredibly harsh.) This is a make believe problem.

willis936 7y ago

The black market will inly grow when the substance is outlawed. These bans are effectively deregulating and needlessly endangering constituents.

gpm 7y ago
Unlike with cigarettes, black market production of e-cigarettes sounds unlikely. They're complex electronics that need large factories to build. Illegal importation from legal foreign factories will probably happen, but those foreign factories are going to be building to the same standard regardless, and compared to normal contraband like "plant leaves" it's going to be pretty easy to tell where they are coming from.
- naoru 7y ago
  basic mech setup is a high drain battery connected to a coil with a wick through a high current switch. no rocket science here.
- wgerard 7y ago
  > Unlike with cigarettes, black market production of e-cigarettes sounds unlikely. Wait, isn't that exactly the problem that's lead to what's happened here? Unregulated THC cartridges causing health issues in states where marijuana is still illegal?
  - gpm 7y ago
    There's a difference between E-Cigarettes and the consumables you place in them, I'm talking about the former while you're talking about the latter. India probably banned both though the article only discusses the former, if so banning the latter is unfortunate since as you note banning it has serious health risks.
    - wgerard 7y ago
      Sure, but clearly there's black market production for the latter. I guess I don't see why you think it's difficult for black market production to spring up for the former. By that I mean: I don't think the e-cigarettes themselves are wildly more complicated to produce than the cartridges--though I might be wrong on that.
- Clubber 7y ago
  It's not the illicit devices that have been killing people, it's the illicit juices. Those can be made in your kitchen.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Nah. We won't see as many regulated mods, but plenty of less user friendly options are easy to make. In the early days of cartos and whatnot we used to make our own with very simple stuff.
- mcguire 7y ago
  Um, no, not so much. * https://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Vape-Pen-e-cig/ https://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Vape-Pen-e-cig/ * https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Electronic-Cigarette/ https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Electronic-Cigarette/ * https://hackaday.com/2014/09/13/homemade-e-cigarette-vaporizer/ https://hackaday.com/2014/09/13/homemade-e-cigarette-vaporiz... * https://modern-crafts.net/basics-for-building-your-own-box-mod/ https://modern-crafts.net/basics-for-building-your-own-box-m... Note: mechanical mods are a great way of setting your batteries on fire. Most regulated mods are built around a relatively small number of platforms (https://www.evolvapor.com/ https://www.evolvapor.com/), but there's no magic involved and if there aren't open-source hardware now, there will be soon. If you don't care about unit-cost, size, and scale, I'm absolutely sure any electronics hobbyist could build something as functional as most of the commercial platforms. I can see two obvious consequences of banning e-cigarettes: 1. The Arduino brigade whining loudly that they can't get the parts for their plant-moisture monitor "because you could build an e-cig with that." 2. A rise in trouser explosions from improperly constructed vapes. (Contraband rarely gets UL listed, right?) I would like to officially nominate the term "jake leg" for the resulting limp, in honor of a previous attempt at regulating morality in the name of public health. P.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KA40gBpDhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KA40gBpDhc

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago

The logical reason is that is permits excessively high nicotine dosing. This was also possible with gum and patches but they were prohibitively expensive for most people to do that.

EpicEng 7y ago
And where is this actually happening? In what numbers? Too much nic in your juice isn't even enjoyable (it's incredibly harsh.) This is a make believe problem.