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This article is pretty naive in completely ignoring the role of propaganda and advertising.

by ihm 7y ago

helpPeople 7y ago
I find marketing such a strange idea. I believe the Ancient Greeks hated these mind control techniques. But in modern society, we are told it's a good thing. I'm not sure what is good about being tricked to buy average products at expensive prices. Samsung/Apple are my two examples in the tech world.
- rabidrat 7y ago
  There are Ages of Reason and Ages of Vanity. It is important to know which you are in.
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- vanderZwan 7y ago
  > But in modern society, we are told it's a good thing. Sure, but look who is telling you that. What you're hinting at is discussed further in Manifacturing Consent, might be interesting to you if you have not heard of it yet[0][1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrBQEAM3rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrBQEAM3rE
TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
It's almost as if it's promoting a comforting but unrealistic narrative.
eisrep 7y ago
This was addressed in the text: > In reality, there’s a lot of other stuff going on in the MPI—stuff like tribalism and virtue signaling and media manipulation and the cudgel of cultural taboo and other fun things in the pit of hell we’ll be descending into together later in the series. But we’re keeping things simple for now...
HBKXNCUO 7y ago
Yup, and it also fails to take into account inherent group interests. One example would be that homosexuals have an inherent group interest in having others accept homosexuality. It isn't enough for an idea to be "more wise" or "more correct" or whatever for it go from a fringe idea to a mainstream one. Someone needs to have some reason to bother pushing the idea. Any idea with a dedicated group pushing it is more likely to go from the fringe to the mainstream. Depending on how dedicated that group is, and what kind of resources they have to push the idea, there is no reason to believe that some idea being "more wise" or "more correct" is even necessary for it to go from the fringe to the mainstream.

This article is pretty naive in completely ignoring the role of propaganda and advertising.

by ihm 7y ago

This article is pretty naive in completely ignoring the role of propaganda and advertising.

I find marketing such a strange idea. I believe the Ancient Greeks hated these mind control techniques. But in modern society, we are told it's a good thing. I'm not sure what is good about being tricked to buy average products at expensive prices. Samsung/Apple are my two examples in the tech world.

rabidrat 7y ago
There are Ages of Reason and Ages of Vanity. It is important to know which you are in.
- deleted 7y ago
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vanderZwan 7y ago
> But in modern society, we are told it's a good thing. Sure, but look who is telling you that. What you're hinting at is discussed further in Manifacturing Consent, might be interesting to you if you have not heard of it yet[0][1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrBQEAM3rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrBQEAM3rE

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago

It's almost as if it's promoting a comforting but unrealistic narrative.

eisrep 7y ago

This was addressed in the text: > In reality, there’s a lot of other stuff going on in the MPI—stuff like tribalism and virtue signaling and media manipulation and the cudgel of cultural taboo and other fun things in the pit of hell we’ll be descending into together later in the series. But we’re keeping things simple for now...

HBKXNCUO 7y ago

Yup, and it also fails to take into account inherent group interests. One example would be that homosexuals have an inherent group interest in having others accept homosexuality. It isn't enough for an idea to be "more wise" or "more correct" or whatever for it go from a fringe idea to a mainstream one. Someone needs to have some reason to bother pushing the idea. Any idea with a dedicated group pushing it is more likely to go from the fringe to the mainstream. Depending on how dedicated that group is, and what kind of resources they have to push the idea, there is no reason to believe that some idea being "more wise" or "more correct" is even necessary for it to go from the fringe to the mainstream.