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Maybe remove history books, they also remind people about this.

vasili111 7y ago
Removing .su != burning books. I will tell you opposite: we should write in history books the truth about what in realty USSR was and teach children with it so tragedies like USSR never happen again.
- johnisgood 7y ago
  He is not saying that "removing .su == burning books", even though both actions lead to permanent destruction of something, I suppose. > I hope we will NOT keep it. It reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union. Replace "it" with "history books". You hope that we will not "keep" anything that: "reminds you how your country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union". By this reasoning alone we should not keep a lot of things (including history books) because a lot of things may remind people of something horrible. If you ask me, this is not a good basis of or justification for not keeping that something, which could be ".su", or "history books", or anything else.
  - vasili111 7y ago
    >Replace "it" with "history books". I am against even burning history books from USSR that glorify USSR. BUT we should not use those books to teach history now.
    - johnisgood 7y ago
      In which case it essentially boils down to: X reminds me of something bad, but I am personally OK with keeping it around. Y reminds me of something bad, too, but I am personally not OK with keeping it. All you did was being selective about it, but the underlying reason is essentially the same, you just apply it selectively based on your own values without considering anyone else's. Although, this does not seem to meet the seemingly only criterion: "reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union". History books do that, but you do not seem to want to NOT keep them. So perhaps this is not the only criterion, there is something else. What is it? Could it be subjective value? If so, I still think that it is not a good reason to get rid of something because you have not found it valuable AND reminds you of something horrible.
      - vasili111 7y ago
        I am not asking to remove based on that I personally dislike it. This is just my personal feelings and position. But USSR does not exists and there is no reason to keep it. Using it is a kind of propaganda. Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet.
        johnisgood 7y ago
        > I am not asking to remove based on that I personally dislike it. > I hope we will NOT keep it. It reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union. It seems contradictory to me. According to the dictionary, "hope" = "to want something to happen or be true". Asking for something is "to want something to happen" as well. Is this incorrect?
        vasili111 7y ago
        I am not asking to remove based on that I personally dislike it. I am asking to remove it based on: >But USSR does not exists and there is no reason to keep it. Using it is a kind of propaganda. Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet.
        johnisgood 7y ago
        I understand that, but you initially said: > I hope we will NOT keep it. It reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union. You mentioned nothing of the sort that you are NOW mentioning as a reason. I am glad that you are not asking for or wanting its removal because it reminds you of bad things. Perhaps it was an innocent omission, or you changed your mind. Either way, glad we could get to the bottom of it. --- That being said, I disagree with its removal. --- > But USSR does not exists and there is no reason to keep it. Using it is a kind of propaganda. Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet. >> USSR does not exist Why is its existence a prerequisite for having a TLD for it? It does not necessarily have to exist in the present (or at all). >> There is no reason to keep it There are many reasons. One of them could be not taking people's domains away from them. >> Using it is a kind of propaganda Not necessarily. One might just use it for fun, for example: sudo.su. Plus, all TLDs could be used for "propaganda". >> Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet. Such domains could point to valuable resources, they might be an online equivalent of a history book, for all we know. Why should information regarding USSR not be on the Internet, under this TLD? Seems like a good fit.
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- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  Every country has done something terrible to another country. There is not getting around that. And deleting something permanently is very similar to burning something permanently.
  - vasili111 7y ago
    .su is for country USSR. That country does not exists any more. And that country have done many bad things to humankind. There are no reason to use it as like USSR exist now too. USSR is a history and lets keep it in the history.
- endtime 7y ago
  I agree with you about the horrors of the Soviet Union, but if you want people to know what happened, why remove a bunch of highly accessible primary sources?
  - vasili111 7y ago
    >why remove a bunch of highly accessible primary sources I agree with you that we should not remove "a bunch of highly accessible primary sources" .su is not that kind of source. .su "was assigned as the country code top-level domain" and that country does not exists. It is not like picture, book or building. Why should we use it now?
    - endtime 7y ago
      In what sense is it not like a picture?
  - 9dl 7y ago
    In that domain literally zero sources of information And that domain online just because of his owners greed
scarmig 7y ago
If there were a .nazi TLD, would there be debate about how proper it is?
- reaperducer 7y ago
  Depends on how it was used. Holocaust museum? OK. Michigan Militia. Nope.
  - vasili111 7y ago
    At the moment .su is not used fro museums. You can use it for everything and it is not right.
  - mopsi 7y ago
    Imagine if the Confederate states had had a TLD. What do you think, what kind of people would be using it nowadays?

Removing .su != burning books. I will tell you opposite: we should write in history books the truth about what in realty USSR was and teach children with it so tragedies like USSR never happen again.

johnisgood 7y ago
He is not saying that "removing .su == burning books", even though both actions lead to permanent destruction of something, I suppose. > I hope we will NOT keep it. It reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union. Replace "it" with "history books". You hope that we will not "keep" anything that: "reminds you how your country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union". By this reasoning alone we should not keep a lot of things (including history books) because a lot of things may remind people of something horrible. If you ask me, this is not a good basis of or justification for not keeping that something, which could be ".su", or "history books", or anything else.
- vasili111 7y ago
  >Replace "it" with "history books". I am against even burning history books from USSR that glorify USSR. BUT we should not use those books to teach history now.
  - johnisgood 7y ago
    In which case it essentially boils down to: X reminds me of something bad, but I am personally OK with keeping it around. Y reminds me of something bad, too, but I am personally not OK with keeping it. All you did was being selective about it, but the underlying reason is essentially the same, you just apply it selectively based on your own values without considering anyone else's. Although, this does not seem to meet the seemingly only criterion: "reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union". History books do that, but you do not seem to want to NOT keep them. So perhaps this is not the only criterion, there is something else. What is it? Could it be subjective value? If so, I still think that it is not a good reason to get rid of something because you have not found it valuable AND reminds you of something horrible.
    - vasili111 7y ago
      I am not asking to remove based on that I personally dislike it. This is just my personal feelings and position. But USSR does not exists and there is no reason to keep it. Using it is a kind of propaganda. Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet.
      - johnisgood 7y ago
        > I am not asking to remove based on that I personally dislike it. > I hope we will NOT keep it. It reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union. It seems contradictory to me. According to the dictionary, "hope" = "to want something to happen or be true". Asking for something is "to want something to happen" as well. Is this incorrect?
        vasili111 7y ago
        I am not asking to remove based on that I personally dislike it. I am asking to remove it based on: >But USSR does not exists and there is no reason to keep it. Using it is a kind of propaganda. Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet.
        johnisgood 7y ago
        I understand that, but you initially said: > I hope we will NOT keep it. It reminds me how my country was occupied and annexed by Soviet Union. You mentioned nothing of the sort that you are NOW mentioning as a reason. I am glad that you are not asking for or wanting its removal because it reminds you of bad things. Perhaps it was an innocent omission, or you changed your mind. Either way, glad we could get to the bottom of it. --- That being said, I disagree with its removal. --- > But USSR does not exists and there is no reason to keep it. Using it is a kind of propaganda. Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet. >> USSR does not exist Why is its existence a prerequisite for having a TLD for it? It does not necessarily have to exist in the present (or at all). >> There is no reason to keep it There are many reasons. One of them could be not taking people's domains away from them. >> Using it is a kind of propaganda Not necessarily. One might just use it for fun, for example: sudo.su. Plus, all TLDs could be used for "propaganda". >> Its place is in history books and not in the modern internet. Such domains could point to valuable resources, they might be an online equivalent of a history book, for all we know. Why should information regarding USSR not be on the Internet, under this TLD? Seems like a good fit.
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RobertRoberts 7y ago
Every country has done something terrible to another country. There is not getting around that. And deleting something permanently is very similar to burning something permanently.
- vasili111 7y ago
  .su is for country USSR. That country does not exists any more. And that country have done many bad things to humankind. There are no reason to use it as like USSR exist now too. USSR is a history and lets keep it in the history.
endtime 7y ago
I agree with you about the horrors of the Soviet Union, but if you want people to know what happened, why remove a bunch of highly accessible primary sources?
- vasili111 7y ago
  >why remove a bunch of highly accessible primary sources I agree with you that we should not remove "a bunch of highly accessible primary sources" .su is not that kind of source. .su "was assigned as the country code top-level domain" and that country does not exists. It is not like picture, book or building. Why should we use it now?
  - endtime 7y ago
    In what sense is it not like a picture?
- 9dl 7y ago
  In that domain literally zero sources of information And that domain online just because of his owners greed

scarmig 7y ago

If there were a .nazi TLD, would there be debate about how proper it is?

reaperducer 7y ago
Depends on how it was used. Holocaust museum? OK. Michigan Militia. Nope.
- vasili111 7y ago
  At the moment .su is not used fro museums. You can use it for everything and it is not right.
- mopsi 7y ago
  Imagine if the Confederate states had had a TLD. What do you think, what kind of people would be using it nowadays?