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I agree with you, but how do you address the counterargument that financing health care requires pooling funds at some level, and a company is a logical place t

I agree with you, but how do you address the counterargument that financing health care requires pooling funds at some level, and a company is a logical place to do that seeing as how they have an interest in having everyone come to work on time?

swiley 7y ago
They don’t offer car insurance even though they’re interested in having employees come to work on time.
- tboyd47 7y ago
  This should be the top reply.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
How about “a country is a logical place to do that seeing as how they have an interest in having everyone access to health care and a dignified life” If you had to design a system from scratch now there is no way you would come up with employer based health insurance. It’s a stupid system. Bad for citizens and bad for employers.
eropple 7y ago
By replying with "workers are human beings and there is no moral reason to allow paperclip-maximizers to have that literally-death grip on the means of their production," generally. Tying health care to employment is a formative cause of wage slavery. It should not stand--and that's before you even get to the economic inefficiency of the health care market itself.
gerbilly 7y ago
> and a company is a logical place to do that This has several unintended consequences: 1) People stay in jobs they hate just for the insurance. This harms both the company and the individual. 2) It reduces entrepreneurship. In Canada if I want to start my own company, I don't have to worry about losing health insurance. 3) Children don't work (yet I guess) and old people don't work, so you need other systems to cover them, or just not cover them at all.
- xur17 7y ago
  > 2) It reduces entrepreneurship. In Canada if I want to start my own company, I don't have to worry about losing health insurance. Are there any groups that offer health insurance (at a cost) with membership? Ex: IEEE, entrepreneurial groups, etc.
  - gerbilly 7y ago
    Sure, i guess, but you have to still pay for it. I don't have to pay anything for my health coverage. And before you say, I do through taxes, my tax rate can be pretty low if I have minimal income, which is often the case when starting a new business.
    - xur17 7y ago
      I was honestly just curious if there were. I totally agree that health coverage is a major issue for entrepreneurs.
      - gerbilly 7y ago
        It certainly does exist. It even exists in Canada for extended coverage like dental and vision. Now why dental is not part of medical coverage is beyond me, but that's another topic.
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telchar 7y ago
The government is a more logical way to pool. The enrollment pool coincides perfectly with administrative boundaries so the system becomes simpler to administer. There is a single payer per nation or state (depending on the level of government used as pool).

swiley 7y ago

They don’t offer car insurance even though they’re interested in having employees come to work on time.

tboyd47 7y ago
This should be the top reply.

Ididntdothis 7y ago

How about “a country is a logical place to do that seeing as how they have an interest in having everyone access to health care and a dignified life” If you had to design a system from scratch now there is no way you would come up with employer based health insurance. It’s a stupid system. Bad for citizens and bad for employers.

eropple 7y ago

By replying with "workers are human beings and there is no moral reason to allow paperclip-maximizers to have that literally-death grip on the means of their production," generally. Tying health care to employment is a formative cause of wage slavery. It should not stand--and that's before you even get to the economic inefficiency of the health care market itself.

gerbilly 7y ago

> and a company is a logical place to do that This has several unintended consequences: 1) People stay in jobs they hate just for the insurance. This harms both the company and the individual. 2) It reduces entrepreneurship. In Canada if I want to start my own company, I don't have to worry about losing health insurance. 3) Children don't work (yet I guess) and old people don't work, so you need other systems to cover them, or just not cover them at all.

xur17 7y ago
> 2) It reduces entrepreneurship. In Canada if I want to start my own company, I don't have to worry about losing health insurance. Are there any groups that offer health insurance (at a cost) with membership? Ex: IEEE, entrepreneurial groups, etc.
- gerbilly 7y ago
  Sure, i guess, but you have to still pay for it. I don't have to pay anything for my health coverage. And before you say, I do through taxes, my tax rate can be pretty low if I have minimal income, which is often the case when starting a new business.
  - xur17 7y ago
    I was honestly just curious if there were. I totally agree that health coverage is a major issue for entrepreneurs.
    - gerbilly 7y ago
      It certainly does exist. It even exists in Canada for extended coverage like dental and vision. Now why dental is not part of medical coverage is beyond me, but that's another topic.

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telchar 7y ago

The government is a more logical way to pool. The enrollment pool coincides perfectly with administrative boundaries so the system becomes simpler to administer. There is a single payer per nation or state (depending on the level of government used as pool).