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I really like how it is done in Sweden where the city provides the fibre but doesn’t run any service over it. We can choose from 5-10 ISPs. Much like the road.

seanalltogether 7y ago
It's definitely the best way to do it. We have similar setups here in the UK. Let the government deal with all the right-of-way, property rights complications regarding the infrastructure, let private companies provide the customer service on top of it.
thekyle 7y ago
If all the ISPs are using the same infrastructure how do they compete on internet speed?
- wonderwonder 7y ago
  I wonder if they don't and instead compete on customer service? No idea if that's how it works, but that would be a great change of pace.
- anderspitman 7y ago
  The same way trucking companies compete on speed.
- princekolt 7y ago
  I see several ways they could compete. For example, when I lived in Barcelona I had 300Mbps fiber to premise for about €55/m. It was excellent, but every month or so they'd do routine maintenance and I'd be without internet for a few hours. Not too bad, but this was enough to make it impossible for me to serve anything from my home computer. In a system like in Sweden, one of the providers could allocate and manage maintenance time in a way that it would be extremely rare for me to go without internet. Another way would be for different providers compete in how they handle burst speeds. I'd also be happy to have 1Gbps for 24h every month, and then 300Mbps for the rest of the time. In short: Create a fair field for competition and ideas will come naturally.
- rtkwe 7y ago
  They probably have differing levels of speed/capacity rented/bought from the city and can improve their connection out to the larger internet.
- toast0 7y ago
  Unlikely, but if the ISP gets to terminate the fiber at the head end --- one ISP may be willing to run 10G and others only 1G. More likely, the last mile provider does termination, so line speed isn't negotiable by provider. Instead you're competing based on peering and transit connections, oversubscription ratios, availability of static ips, other policies, customer service, etc.
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seanalltogether 7y ago

It's definitely the best way to do it. We have similar setups here in the UK. Let the government deal with all the right-of-way, property rights complications regarding the infrastructure, let private companies provide the customer service on top of it.

thekyle 7y ago

If all the ISPs are using the same infrastructure how do they compete on internet speed?

wonderwonder 7y ago
I wonder if they don't and instead compete on customer service? No idea if that's how it works, but that would be a great change of pace.
anderspitman 7y ago
The same way trucking companies compete on speed.
princekolt 7y ago
I see several ways they could compete. For example, when I lived in Barcelona I had 300Mbps fiber to premise for about €55/m. It was excellent, but every month or so they'd do routine maintenance and I'd be without internet for a few hours. Not too bad, but this was enough to make it impossible for me to serve anything from my home computer. In a system like in Sweden, one of the providers could allocate and manage maintenance time in a way that it would be extremely rare for me to go without internet. Another way would be for different providers compete in how they handle burst speeds. I'd also be happy to have 1Gbps for 24h every month, and then 300Mbps for the rest of the time. In short: Create a fair field for competition and ideas will come naturally.
rtkwe 7y ago
They probably have differing levels of speed/capacity rented/bought from the city and can improve their connection out to the larger internet.
toast0 7y ago
Unlikely, but if the ISP gets to terminate the fiber at the head end --- one ISP may be willing to run 10G and others only 1G. More likely, the last mile provider does termination, so line speed isn't negotiable by provider. Instead you're competing based on peering and transit connections, oversubscription ratios, availability of static ips, other policies, customer service, etc.
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