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Tell me more about how R. Kelly and Disney fans are similar. Share your point by point analysis and include examples. Maybe you would like to bring Taylor Swift

Tell me more about how R. Kelly and Disney fans are similar. Share your point by point analysis and include examples. Maybe you would like to bring Taylor Swift into the discussion? Your comment is a poorly disguised insult.

0-_-0 7y ago
I can tell you really like R. Kelly or Disney but I can' tell which.
cptskippy 7y ago
It's unclear which you ascribe to but it's curious that you don't take offense to either being compared to Evangelicals. In either case, they're both almost a Cult of personality. The fans are so adorant of their object that they often overlook glaringly evil deeds. At the same time, the level of manipulation exhibited and the devotion demanded by the personality is extreme to the point that outsiders see it as absurd. Idk, maybe it's just me but I find fanaticism to be very off putting in general. When the idol asks fans to make sacrifices to stay it in their favor, that's when it crosses a line into creepy. Disney walks a fine line where it expertly cultivates that culture while simultaneously pretending it doesn't exist and remaining open and accessible to everyone.
- reroute1 7y ago
  But to be fair R. Kelly is being accused of pretty awful crimes which I don't see an equivalent from Disney...
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    Perhaps not in depth of harm but in breadth it far surpasses R. Kelly. Disney has been accused of gross labor and environmental violations across the globe. So while R. Kelly has caused severe damage to a few, Disney has caused minor to moderate damage to a great number.
    - reroute1 7y ago
      OK. I don't know if everyone would agree with your somewhat reductive view on Disney, how is it fair to compare an entire company and enterprise to a single man. This feels like you are looking at two wildly different things and connecting them with very thin lines.
      - cptskippy 7y ago
        Speaking in terms of the fans, a fan of Disney who loves their parks and merchandise is accepting the misdeeds of the enterprise as a whole in much the same way that an R. Kelly fan is accepting his misdeeds. I'm not stating that a fan of a franchise, like Marvel Comics, specifically is accepting of Disney's scope of misdeeds or even considering them a Disney fan in this case. I'm speaking directly to the Disney fan, those people who specifically travel to Disney parks multiple times a year, go on the cruises repeated, and consume the Disney branded merchandise in volume.
      - coldtea 7y ago
        >how is it fair to compare an entire company and enterprise to a single man Then maybe companies and enterprises shouldn't do all they can to be treated like men... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/corporations-are-people-a_b_5543833 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/corporations-are-people-a_b_5...
- jerf 7y ago
  "The fans are so adorant of their object that they often overlook glaringly evil deeds." This verges on the tautological though, given that "fan" is short for "fanatic"; you're complaining that fanatics are fanatics. Well... yeah, but so? I don't think you can directly impute the behavior of the fans on to the target of their fandom. (You can draw some indirect conclusions, but it involves at least a few steps of lower reliability and propositions people will find debatable.)
  - icebraining 7y ago
    > that "fan" is short for "fanatic" Eh, that's its (probable) origin, but I'd say the two have diverged in meaning; "fan" nowadays doesn't have the same connotation of extreme and uncritical zeal of "fanatic."
    - jerf 7y ago
      Hence the "verges", rather than simply saying it "is". It's as close to a complaint about it as you can get without quite 100% being there.

0-_-0 7y ago

I can tell you really like R. Kelly or Disney but I can' tell which.

cptskippy 7y ago

It's unclear which you ascribe to but it's curious that you don't take offense to either being compared to Evangelicals. In either case, they're both almost a Cult of personality. The fans are so adorant of their object that they often overlook glaringly evil deeds. At the same time, the level of manipulation exhibited and the devotion demanded by the personality is extreme to the point that outsiders see it as absurd. Idk, maybe it's just me but I find fanaticism to be very off putting in general. When the idol asks fans to make sacrifices to stay it in their favor, that's when it crosses a line into creepy. Disney walks a fine line where it expertly cultivates that culture while simultaneously pretending it doesn't exist and remaining open and accessible to everyone.

reroute1 7y ago
But to be fair R. Kelly is being accused of pretty awful crimes which I don't see an equivalent from Disney...
- cptskippy 7y ago
  Perhaps not in depth of harm but in breadth it far surpasses R. Kelly. Disney has been accused of gross labor and environmental violations across the globe. So while R. Kelly has caused severe damage to a few, Disney has caused minor to moderate damage to a great number.
  - reroute1 7y ago
    OK. I don't know if everyone would agree with your somewhat reductive view on Disney, how is it fair to compare an entire company and enterprise to a single man. This feels like you are looking at two wildly different things and connecting them with very thin lines.
    - cptskippy 7y ago
      Speaking in terms of the fans, a fan of Disney who loves their parks and merchandise is accepting the misdeeds of the enterprise as a whole in much the same way that an R. Kelly fan is accepting his misdeeds. I'm not stating that a fan of a franchise, like Marvel Comics, specifically is accepting of Disney's scope of misdeeds or even considering them a Disney fan in this case. I'm speaking directly to the Disney fan, those people who specifically travel to Disney parks multiple times a year, go on the cruises repeated, and consume the Disney branded merchandise in volume.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      >how is it fair to compare an entire company and enterprise to a single man Then maybe companies and enterprises shouldn't do all they can to be treated like men... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/corporations-are-people-a_b_5543833 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/corporations-are-people-a_b_5...
jerf 7y ago
"The fans are so adorant of their object that they often overlook glaringly evil deeds." This verges on the tautological though, given that "fan" is short for "fanatic"; you're complaining that fanatics are fanatics. Well... yeah, but so? I don't think you can directly impute the behavior of the fans on to the target of their fandom. (You can draw some indirect conclusions, but it involves at least a few steps of lower reliability and propositions people will find debatable.)
- icebraining 7y ago
  > that "fan" is short for "fanatic" Eh, that's its (probable) origin, but I'd say the two have diverged in meaning; "fan" nowadays doesn't have the same connotation of extreme and uncritical zeal of "fanatic."
  - jerf 7y ago
    Hence the "verges", rather than simply saying it "is". It's as close to a complaint about it as you can get without quite 100% being there.