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I pay 75$ CDN for 1Gbps with no cap in Toronto, and I used to think we had it bad in Canada.. "Fighting" with a local cable company (monopoly I assume?) to off

by sbarre 7y ago

I pay 75$ CDN for 1Gbps with no cap in Toronto, and I used to think we had it bad in Canada.. "Fighting" with a local cable company (monopoly I assume?) to offer a 1Gpbs service in 2019 is depressing.

robert_foss 7y ago
You must be one of the lucky ones in Toronto. I remember having only pricier, capped & slower FTH solutions.
abledon 7y ago
Bell?
microcolonel 7y ago
That's because of Beanfield. Outside of the core of Toronto that is not the case. If you go all the way to Burlington, it starts costing about $300/mo, if they are even willing to install it. I'm hoping Beanfield continues to expand their area of competition.
- sbarre 7y ago
  It's more than just Beanfield. I live in a condo building and Beanfield wasn't even an option here. If that was the case, I'd never have been able to get this plan, right? I agree that it's certainly due to competition, but it's not as reductive as that. Also, I have a co-worker who lives in Milton and he has the same service as me for basically the same price (he's in a bundle though).
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    > If that was the case, I'd never have been able to get this plan, right? Not so! The pressure helps people who aren't even technically covered by competitors. That's the beauty of it. :- )
  - how2cflags 7y ago
    Ah, I have a friend in a downtown condo who uses their 1Gbps service and he hasn't had any issues with them. Sadly I'm in an older town house so my options are Bell or Rogers, neither of which can offer symmetric fiber as the cost to deploy wouldn't be worthwhile their time.(Oddly Bell installed fiber in the older building across the street from me into all the units.) Either way, I ended up going with Teksavvy. No marketing nonsense or calls to up sell anything and I get 300/20 for 62 a month without a contract.
vincnetas 7y ago
One more data point. Vilnius, Lithuania 1GBs for 19.90€ (22.00$) /month https://www.telia.lt/privatiems/kur-veikia-internetas-ir-tv/tag?customerType=P&pageType=&p_address_id=1027794#/ https://www.telia.lt/privatiems/kur-veikia-internetas-ir-tv/...
- swebs 7y ago
  For what its worth, average salary in Lithuania is around 10,000 euros per year.
  - robohoe 7y ago
    And it's also little over the size of West Virginia.
    - tehlike 7y ago
      Why does it matter? Because populous cities have to subsidize sparsely populated ones, and that is why prices are high?
      - mynameisvlad 7y ago
        Because it costs a whole lot more to lay down fiber across the US than it does to cover a fraction of it. The sheer distances between everything makes it incredibly difficult to build infrastructure like high speed rail, fiber across the country, etc.
        scarejunba 7y ago
        Right, if you're looking at the entire country, but if you can draw a Lithuania shape that's got Lithuania-like properties, you should expect Lithuania performance within that shape. Here's one: https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTI4MDE3Nzc.MTIwNDM0NDM*NzExMDMxNw(NTI2NDYxNA~!LT*OTQ1NTUwMQ.MTQ4MTg4MTQ)NA https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTI4MDE3Nzc.MTIwNDM0NDM... Naturally, the big thing is that labour costs dominate costs of everything, so we won't have gig fibre available for Lithuania costs. But the fact that we don't have gig fibre for any price universally in that region is mostly because they have the leapfrogging effect in Lithuania - they were later to the Internet than America. i.e. the size argument is a facile false explanation for the absence of the things because within the areas that have similar properties we'd expect similar performance. In time we'll see gigabit fibre come to America, not because there is an absolute cost concern, but because as it comes time to upgrade aging infra we'll just put what's best at the time in, something that would be impossible if there were true geographic barriers.
Zenbit_UX 7y ago
$60 CDN/month for 1Gbps symmetric in Montreal, had to fight bell tooth and nail, but very happy with it.
- gregsadetsky 7y ago
  How? Where?? I’d love to get 1gbps and fight bell with you!! :) Contact info in my profile. Thanks! Edit — is it TelKel? I see that they offer 60$ 1gbps connections, but they seem to target residential high rises...? I called and although they’re expanding in Montréal, they’re not offering any service anywhere on the Plateau. Let me know more please if you can! Thank you
HeadsUpHigh 7y ago
I'm sorry but how exactly is that bad? I have 6 mbps down 0.5 up and this is the best speed I've ever had. I've never heard of anything going beyond 1gbps in my country. What opitons exist above that for consumer level and why would you want it? Like, what's there to do with more than 1gbps right now?
- tehlike 7y ago
  You will not run into an issue where you consume all the bandwidth, but you will also not wait long time to download a blueray movie. At that speed it is more about time. 75$ is usually the going rate where i live for about 300mbps. Fiber runs into low hundreds with comcast, with 1TB data cap. Competition (att) gives it for 70 without datacap, so that is what i did.
deepspace 7y ago
I pay $30 CDN for 1Gbps symmetrical no cap because our municipality had the foresight to install municipal fiber, so we are not beholden to Bell/Telus/Shaw/Rogers for access to fiber infrastructure.

by sbarre 7y ago

robert_foss 7y ago

You must be one of the lucky ones in Toronto. I remember having only pricier, capped & slower FTH solutions.

abledon 7y ago

Bell?

microcolonel 7y ago

That's because of Beanfield. Outside of the core of Toronto that is not the case. If you go all the way to Burlington, it starts costing about $300/mo, if they are even willing to install it. I'm hoping Beanfield continues to expand their area of competition.

sbarre 7y ago
It's more than just Beanfield. I live in a condo building and Beanfield wasn't even an option here. If that was the case, I'd never have been able to get this plan, right? I agree that it's certainly due to competition, but it's not as reductive as that. Also, I have a co-worker who lives in Milton and he has the same service as me for basically the same price (he's in a bundle though).
- microcolonel 7y ago
  > If that was the case, I'd never have been able to get this plan, right? Not so! The pressure helps people who aren't even technically covered by competitors. That's the beauty of it. :- )
- how2cflags 7y ago
  Ah, I have a friend in a downtown condo who uses their 1Gbps service and he hasn't had any issues with them. Sadly I'm in an older town house so my options are Bell or Rogers, neither of which can offer symmetric fiber as the cost to deploy wouldn't be worthwhile their time.(Oddly Bell installed fiber in the older building across the street from me into all the units.) Either way, I ended up going with Teksavvy. No marketing nonsense or calls to up sell anything and I get 300/20 for 62 a month without a contract.

vincnetas 7y ago

One more data point. Vilnius, Lithuania 1GBs for 19.90€ (22.00$) /month https://www.telia.lt/privatiems/kur-veikia-internetas-ir-tv/tag?customerType=P&pageType=&p_address_id=1027794#/ https://www.telia.lt/privatiems/kur-veikia-internetas-ir-tv/...

swebs 7y ago
For what its worth, average salary in Lithuania is around 10,000 euros per year.
- robohoe 7y ago
  And it's also little over the size of West Virginia.
  - tehlike 7y ago
    Why does it matter? Because populous cities have to subsidize sparsely populated ones, and that is why prices are high?
    - mynameisvlad 7y ago
      Because it costs a whole lot more to lay down fiber across the US than it does to cover a fraction of it. The sheer distances between everything makes it incredibly difficult to build infrastructure like high speed rail, fiber across the country, etc.
      - scarejunba 7y ago
        Right, if you're looking at the entire country, but if you can draw a Lithuania shape that's got Lithuania-like properties, you should expect Lithuania performance within that shape. Here's one: https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTI4MDE3Nzc.MTIwNDM0NDM*NzExMDMxNw(NTI2NDYxNA~!LT*OTQ1NTUwMQ.MTQ4MTg4MTQ)NA https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTI4MDE3Nzc.MTIwNDM0NDM... Naturally, the big thing is that labour costs dominate costs of everything, so we won't have gig fibre available for Lithuania costs. But the fact that we don't have gig fibre for any price universally in that region is mostly because they have the leapfrogging effect in Lithuania - they were later to the Internet than America. i.e. the size argument is a facile false explanation for the absence of the things because within the areas that have similar properties we'd expect similar performance. In time we'll see gigabit fibre come to America, not because there is an absolute cost concern, but because as it comes time to upgrade aging infra we'll just put what's best at the time in, something that would be impossible if there were true geographic barriers.

Zenbit_UX 7y ago

$60 CDN/month for 1Gbps symmetric in Montreal, had to fight bell tooth and nail, but very happy with it.

gregsadetsky 7y ago
How? Where?? I’d love to get 1gbps and fight bell with you!! :) Contact info in my profile. Thanks! Edit — is it TelKel? I see that they offer 60$ 1gbps connections, but they seem to target residential high rises...? I called and although they’re expanding in Montréal, they’re not offering any service anywhere on the Plateau. Let me know more please if you can! Thank you

HeadsUpHigh 7y ago

I'm sorry but how exactly is that bad? I have 6 mbps down 0.5 up and this is the best speed I've ever had. I've never heard of anything going beyond 1gbps in my country. What opitons exist above that for consumer level and why would you want it? Like, what's there to do with more than 1gbps right now?

tehlike 7y ago
You will not run into an issue where you consume all the bandwidth, but you will also not wait long time to download a blueray movie. At that speed it is more about time. 75$ is usually the going rate where i live for about 300mbps. Fiber runs into low hundreds with comcast, with 1TB data cap. Competition (att) gives it for 70 without datacap, so that is what i did.

deepspace 7y ago

I pay $30 CDN for 1Gbps symmetrical no cap because our municipality had the foresight to install municipal fiber, so we are not beholden to Bell/Telus/Shaw/Rogers for access to fiber infrastructure.