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You’ve never heard of a gun going off unintnetionally? It happens all time time. People are also accidentally shot all the time. We even had a VPOTUS who fam

by ada1981 7y ago

You’ve never heard of a gun going off unintnetionally? It happens all time time. People are also accidentally shot all the time. We even had a VPOTUS who famously shot one of his friends in the face accidentally.

skinnymuch 7y ago
The friend who apologized to the VPOTUS? I’d like to hear other stories where a friend apologizes to another friend who shot them.
Ensorceled 7y ago
Guns almost never go off unintentionally. Yes, people think the gun is unloaded, or toddlers are playing with the gun, or the person with the gun is being unsafe. But the vast majority of the time, somebody pulled the trigger. They are not accidents. Since they were "line hunting", pretty much every hunter thought Cheney should have been charged with something. In Canada, he definitely would have been charged with unsafe usage of a firearm.
- Retric 7y ago
  That’s something of a no true Scotsman argument, if someone did not intentionally fire it’s accidental. There are ~500 accidental gun deaths in the US per year and vastly more accidental firings. If you ever take a gun course a lot of effort is placed on getting people to never point a gun at something they are unwilling to shoot because of accidental firings. Trigger safety is similar emphasized because of how much it reduces accidental firings.
  - Ensorceled 7y ago
    No, I'm saying that "unintentionally" is being used in the "accidently" sense when it should be used in the "negligently" sense. 500 accidental gun deaths are almost all negligence and should result in criminal charges. But, in actuality, many are suicides.
    - Retric 7y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman All accidental discharges are negligent. That does not prevent them from also being accidental.
    - cortesoft 7y ago
      You could say the same about car accidents... it is rarely a mechanical failure, it is usually a driver not paying attention or doing something wrong. Why does it matter, though? Whether it is negligent or accidental, it is out of my control and has a chance to happen. Whether I accidentally or negligently get shot by a cop, I am just as dead.
      - jimktrains2 7y ago
        Car accidents can happen when the driver has incomplete or wrong information about the state of the roadway, e.g. roadway is slick, but doesn't appear so. I'd concur that the majority are negligence, but I'd also wager that a non-negligable amount aren't.

skinnymuch 7y ago

The friend who apologized to the VPOTUS? I’d like to hear other stories where a friend apologizes to another friend who shot them.

Ensorceled 7y ago

Guns almost never go off unintentionally. Yes, people think the gun is unloaded, or toddlers are playing with the gun, or the person with the gun is being unsafe. But the vast majority of the time, somebody pulled the trigger. They are not accidents. Since they were "line hunting", pretty much every hunter thought Cheney should have been charged with something. In Canada, he definitely would have been charged with unsafe usage of a firearm.

Retric 7y ago
That’s something of a no true Scotsman argument, if someone did not intentionally fire it’s accidental. There are ~500 accidental gun deaths in the US per year and vastly more accidental firings. If you ever take a gun course a lot of effort is placed on getting people to never point a gun at something they are unwilling to shoot because of accidental firings. Trigger safety is similar emphasized because of how much it reduces accidental firings.
- Ensorceled 7y ago
  No, I'm saying that "unintentionally" is being used in the "accidently" sense when it should be used in the "negligently" sense. 500 accidental gun deaths are almost all negligence and should result in criminal charges. But, in actuality, many are suicides.
  - Retric 7y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman All accidental discharges are negligent. That does not prevent them from also being accidental.
  - cortesoft 7y ago
    You could say the same about car accidents... it is rarely a mechanical failure, it is usually a driver not paying attention or doing something wrong. Why does it matter, though? Whether it is negligent or accidental, it is out of my control and has a chance to happen. Whether I accidentally or negligently get shot by a cop, I am just as dead.
    - jimktrains2 7y ago
      Car accidents can happen when the driver has incomplete or wrong information about the state of the roadway, e.g. roadway is slick, but doesn't appear so. I'd concur that the majority are negligence, but I'd also wager that a non-negligable amount aren't.