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How about taxing him and others to pay for universal healthcare?

gridlockd 7y ago
If you believe you can just tax the rich for universal healthcare, you better do the math. It doesn't work. Taking the European model, everybody will have to pay for it, on the order of 15% of income.
- me_me_me 7y ago
  Funny you should say that. But the actual numbers don't lie, Europeans on average pay less for healthcare (combined taxes + paid procedures), than Americans, yet we have an access to public healthcare and Americans need to buy priv insurance. I'd rather pay my taxes, then hear stories of people who are afraid to call an ambulance in case they are actually not going through a heart attack.
  - theredbox 7y ago
    Yet koreans pay just a half of what europeans pay for a much better healthcare than europeans. Oh the wonders of different systems and economies.
    - me_me_me 7y ago
      > Yet koreans pay just a half of what europeans pay I don't know where you got that fact, according to OECD for 2016 Korea spends as much as Ireland on healthcare (GDP share). That's also the first time I heard it.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    > But the actual numbers don't lie, Europeans on average pay less for healthcare That's besides my point, which is that you can't just tax the rich to pay for universal healthcare. It has to come out of everyone's paycheck. The other side of the coin is that Europeans earn less and that healthcare workers especially earn less. Yet, systems such as the NHS are at the brink of financial collapse. You couldn't achieve the same "savings" in the US without massive forced wage cuts to health care workers. > I'd rather pay my taxes... That's a fair opinion to have. Saying that you'd rather "tax the rich" isn't, it's dishonest (or uninformed).
    - me_me_me 7y ago
      > Yet, systems such as the NHS are at the brink of financial collapse. The reason for this is the Tories are defunding it and taking stabs at it. So that NHS becomes unpopular with public and could be privatized into US style healthcare. Its straight out of neo-liberal playbook, de-fund/cripple public institution, replace management with 'your' people who further japerdise the institution. Start PR campaign against institution to ridicule it and when people buy the PR, cut it up and sell it off.
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      - gridlockd 7y ago
        By "defunding" you must mean a lower increase in year-over-year spending. https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

If you believe you can just tax the rich for universal healthcare, you better do the math. It doesn't work. Taking the European model, everybody will have to pay for it, on the order of 15% of income.

me_me_me 7y ago
Funny you should say that. But the actual numbers don't lie, Europeans on average pay less for healthcare (combined taxes + paid procedures), than Americans, yet we have an access to public healthcare and Americans need to buy priv insurance. I'd rather pay my taxes, then hear stories of people who are afraid to call an ambulance in case they are actually not going through a heart attack.
- theredbox 7y ago
  Yet koreans pay just a half of what europeans pay for a much better healthcare than europeans. Oh the wonders of different systems and economies.
  - me_me_me 7y ago
    > Yet koreans pay just a half of what europeans pay I don't know where you got that fact, according to OECD for 2016 Korea spends as much as Ireland on healthcare (GDP share). That's also the first time I heard it.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  > But the actual numbers don't lie, Europeans on average pay less for healthcare That's besides my point, which is that you can't just tax the rich to pay for universal healthcare. It has to come out of everyone's paycheck. The other side of the coin is that Europeans earn less and that healthcare workers especially earn less. Yet, systems such as the NHS are at the brink of financial collapse. You couldn't achieve the same "savings" in the US without massive forced wage cuts to health care workers. > I'd rather pay my taxes... That's a fair opinion to have. Saying that you'd rather "tax the rich" isn't, it's dishonest (or uninformed).
  - me_me_me 7y ago
    > Yet, systems such as the NHS are at the brink of financial collapse. The reason for this is the Tories are defunding it and taking stabs at it. So that NHS becomes unpopular with public and could be privatized into US style healthcare. Its straight out of neo-liberal playbook, de-fund/cripple public institution, replace management with 'your' people who further japerdise the institution. Start PR campaign against institution to ridicule it and when people buy the PR, cut it up and sell it off.
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    - gridlockd 7y ago
      By "defunding" you must mean a lower increase in year-over-year spending. https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/