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> Hey, we may* get rid of the pacers this year! They've been saying that since I was there several years ago. They'll out live all of us.

tialaramex 7y ago
They're coming. Slowly, but they are coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScxhRR3LyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScxhRR3LyY
- switch007 7y ago
  All gone by summer 2020 is their latest statement. Training is their current excuse for the delay: "“They are in Yorkshire for one simple reason – that is that our train crew here can drive them now, can operate them now. If we introduced them elsewhere where they don’t operate them now, we would introduce a training need that could not be coped with." https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/pacer-trains-will-gone-next-16886917 https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/pacer-trains-...
  - tialaramex 7y ago
    Drivers need to be competent on the specific type of train. This seems especially obvious for a driver who has spent the last decade driving Pacers and might now be given a Class 195 DMU. The handling characteristics are pretty difficult, it's not even like it was a small upgrade - as observed so many times a Pacer is basically a railbus. If anything the anomaly is that we aren't expected to retrain on the roads. I am old enough to be "grandfathered" into the UK's old regime where a single pass, as a teenager, in a small hatchback, qualifies me for like 50 years to drive a 5 tonne truck even with a trailer. I've never driven anything with a trailer, no evidence I'd be safe doing it but hey, the rules used to be lax so...
    - switch007 7y ago
      The use of "excuse" was referencing the fact that these trains didn't just up from no where, that training on new trains isn't an unexpected thing for a train company to need to do. It's like saying a product in a supermarket is delayed "because it needs to be put on the shelf"

tialaramex 7y ago

They're coming. Slowly, but they are coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScxhRR3LyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScxhRR3LyY

switch007 7y ago
All gone by summer 2020 is their latest statement. Training is their current excuse for the delay: "“They are in Yorkshire for one simple reason – that is that our train crew here can drive them now, can operate them now. If we introduced them elsewhere where they don’t operate them now, we would introduce a training need that could not be coped with." https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/pacer-trains-will-gone-next-16886917 https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/pacer-trains-...
- tialaramex 7y ago
  Drivers need to be competent on the specific type of train. This seems especially obvious for a driver who has spent the last decade driving Pacers and might now be given a Class 195 DMU. The handling characteristics are pretty difficult, it's not even like it was a small upgrade - as observed so many times a Pacer is basically a railbus. If anything the anomaly is that we aren't expected to retrain on the roads. I am old enough to be "grandfathered" into the UK's old regime where a single pass, as a teenager, in a small hatchback, qualifies me for like 50 years to drive a 5 tonne truck even with a trailer. I've never driven anything with a trailer, no evidence I'd be safe doing it but hey, the rules used to be lax so...
  - switch007 7y ago
    The use of "excuse" was referencing the fact that these trains didn't just up from no where, that training on new trains isn't an unexpected thing for a train company to need to do. It's like saying a product in a supermarket is delayed "because it needs to be put on the shelf"