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An article, a conversation, anything of the actual public past. Name a forum, scan a newspaper clipping or artifact. Twitter posts from not even a week ago shou

by ohiovr 7y ago

An article, a conversation, anything of the actual public past. Name a forum, scan a newspaper clipping or artifact. Twitter posts from not even a week ago should not have this kind of authority. Or have you considered it ever happening to you?

sp332 7y ago
I was more interested in the credibility of the people than the medium. But how about the EMACS Virgins joke incident from 2009? http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard-stallman.html?showComment=1247268813706#c2710654169843897013 http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard-... A published book from 2002? https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch14.html https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch14.html (The interview at the bottom.) His own website about an incident in 1988? https://web.archive.org/web/20020204031846/http://www.stallman.org/texas.html https://web.archive.org/web/20020204031846/http://www.stallm... I'm assuming you've seen by now the door with the "hot ladies" sign, and the times he mentioned pedophilia and necrophilia on his website because those got mentioned a lot more.
- ohiovr 7y ago
  Everyone knows RMS is an eccentric, that he hates all things closed source even when it is silly. That eccentric people are also very lonely is easy to understand as I can identify with that. Some have compared him to a Diogenes type character. Apparently the twitter posts are enough to make him drink the hemlock. Just know it can happen to anyone. Even you.
  - eesmith 7y ago
    "Everyone knows RMS is an eccentric" .. and like "boys wills be boys" that justifies any behavior? And lets him keep his leadership role?
    - dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
      His fight for free software is a part of his character. he was doing it for all these years with high motivation because it wasn't just idealistic, it was personal. A specific brand of proprietary software made his happy hippie coding youth end, took away his friends, etc. - you probably heard the story a million times. Most people would just give up and go on, but he decided to choose Don Quixote's way. Nobody believed he would succeed, it was a lost fight by a lunatic. But it was this weird obsession that kept him motivated over the years. The appearance of Linux was both a success (the world finally got a complete operating system) and a failure (it forgot about GNU and focused on Linux). Then it turned out that proprietary software is not the only danger coming from greedy corporations: DRM, vendor lock-in, etc. RMS predicted many of these and was actively fighting against them. Whereas on a personal level he was the same Don Quixote as in the after-Symbolics period. Many people hated him for all possible reasons, and are celebrating now. What a sad time.
      - eesmith 7y ago
        Which has nothing to do with this specific thread topic, that being evidence of "decades of Stallman's abuse of his positions at FSF and MIT".
    - ohiovr 7y ago
      If it weren't for Stallman there would be no free software. So if you are cool with that you best cease using all free software. Also I see no evidence of "decades of bad behavior". All I see is he was a jerk to people because of closed source software. One of the articles was a woman's article about him being a jerk to. So the lesson is, avoid women at all costs. Just don't talk to them. Because if you do, and give the wrong impression, you get the RMS treatment (among many others). Its open season on all geeks, nerds, and dorks now I see. So what is your next step with me? Are you going to try to dox me and try to get me fired from my employer?
      - eesmith 7y ago
        Thomas Jefferson was one of the founders of my country. I enjoy some of his writings, including on the separation of church and state. I also point out he was a slaveowner who had forced sex with his slaves. I'm not going to turn around and say we need an official US church because I'm against his slaving and raping. Nor am I going to ignore his actual history. Okay, as you say, "he was a jerk". We shouldn't have a jerk as the head of the FSF. Kick him out for being a jerk. It's not like I haven't heard stories about his creepy behavior for decades. How come Guido van Rossum (to pick one) doesn't avoid women at all costs, yet doesn't have same treatment? I propose it's because what you describe isn't actually the issue.

by ohiovr 7y ago

sp332 7y ago

I was more interested in the credibility of the people than the medium. But how about the EMACS Virgins joke incident from 2009? http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard-stallman.html?showComment=1247268813706#c2710654169843897013 http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard-... A published book from 2002? https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch14.html https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch14.html (The interview at the bottom.) His own website about an incident in 1988? https://web.archive.org/web/20020204031846/http://www.stallman.org/texas.html https://web.archive.org/web/20020204031846/http://www.stallm... I'm assuming you've seen by now the door with the "hot ladies" sign, and the times he mentioned pedophilia and necrophilia on his website because those got mentioned a lot more.

ohiovr 7y ago
Everyone knows RMS is an eccentric, that he hates all things closed source even when it is silly. That eccentric people are also very lonely is easy to understand as I can identify with that. Some have compared him to a Diogenes type character. Apparently the twitter posts are enough to make him drink the hemlock. Just know it can happen to anyone. Even you.
- eesmith 7y ago
  "Everyone knows RMS is an eccentric" .. and like "boys wills be boys" that justifies any behavior? And lets him keep his leadership role?
  - dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
    His fight for free software is a part of his character. he was doing it for all these years with high motivation because it wasn't just idealistic, it was personal. A specific brand of proprietary software made his happy hippie coding youth end, took away his friends, etc. - you probably heard the story a million times. Most people would just give up and go on, but he decided to choose Don Quixote's way. Nobody believed he would succeed, it was a lost fight by a lunatic. But it was this weird obsession that kept him motivated over the years. The appearance of Linux was both a success (the world finally got a complete operating system) and a failure (it forgot about GNU and focused on Linux). Then it turned out that proprietary software is not the only danger coming from greedy corporations: DRM, vendor lock-in, etc. RMS predicted many of these and was actively fighting against them. Whereas on a personal level he was the same Don Quixote as in the after-Symbolics period. Many people hated him for all possible reasons, and are celebrating now. What a sad time.
    - eesmith 7y ago
      Which has nothing to do with this specific thread topic, that being evidence of "decades of Stallman's abuse of his positions at FSF and MIT".
  - ohiovr 7y ago
    If it weren't for Stallman there would be no free software. So if you are cool with that you best cease using all free software. Also I see no evidence of "decades of bad behavior". All I see is he was a jerk to people because of closed source software. One of the articles was a woman's article about him being a jerk to. So the lesson is, avoid women at all costs. Just don't talk to them. Because if you do, and give the wrong impression, you get the RMS treatment (among many others). Its open season on all geeks, nerds, and dorks now I see. So what is your next step with me? Are you going to try to dox me and try to get me fired from my employer?
    - eesmith 7y ago
      Thomas Jefferson was one of the founders of my country. I enjoy some of his writings, including on the separation of church and state. I also point out he was a slaveowner who had forced sex with his slaves. I'm not going to turn around and say we need an official US church because I'm against his slaving and raping. Nor am I going to ignore his actual history. Okay, as you say, "he was a jerk". We shouldn't have a jerk as the head of the FSF. Kick him out for being a jerk. It's not like I haven't heard stories about his creepy behavior for decades. How come Guido van Rossum (to pick one) doesn't avoid women at all costs, yet doesn't have same treatment? I propose it's because what you describe isn't actually the issue.