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He keeps saying that it's not that harmful; that images are fine; that coercion isn't force. That's a lie on your part isn't it? There are very grave points t

He keeps saying that it's not that harmful; that images are fine; that coercion isn't force. That's a lie on your part isn't it? There are very grave points to make about rms's statements but you are doing no one any favors with these statements and merely muddying the waters. It would probably be a good idea to knock it off.

DanBC 7y ago
No, it's not a lie. >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. Then, later, > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children. Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realise they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That’s not willing participation, it’s imposed participation, a different issue.” Look at what he says here. Words like "willing" and "voluntary". This is a normalisation of child sexual abuse. About Minsky: > The injustice is in the word “assaulting”. The term “sexual assault” is so vague and slippery that it facilitates accusation inflation: taking claims that someone did X and leading people to think of it as Y, which is much worse than X. > The accusation quoted is a clear example of inflation. The reference reports the claim that Minsky had sex with one of Epstein’s harem. (See https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jef...) > Let’s presume that was true (I see no reason to disbelieve it). The word “assaulting” presumes that he applied force or violence, in some unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing. Only that they had sex. Here he is clearly saying that "assault" requires use of force, and using this misinterpretation of the word to defend Minsky's actions. He's wrong about the word assault. It does not require force or violence. You can find your own Stallman quotes about child sexual abuse and bestiality.
- Chris2048 7y ago
  > No, it's not a lie. Care to provide example of "that images are fine"? > Words like "willing" and "voluntary" Maybe look at the other words around those words for context. > This is a normalisation of... This is the infantilisation of language. Certain word "normalize" something, therefore adults are no longer allowed to be subjected to them. Language policing at its finest. > using this misinterpretation of the word Says who? Many people would assume the same. Should that be ignored because the legal definition, only fully understood by lawyers, differs? In terms of Minsky's reputation, it matters more what regular people think it means, than what definitions exist in law. The common misconception wrt what "sexual assault" implies is often utilised by malicious publications and prosecutions - maybe it's time to clean up the language.

DanBC 7y ago

No, it's not a lie. >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. Then, later, > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children. Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realise they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That’s not willing participation, it’s imposed participation, a different issue.” Look at what he says here. Words like "willing" and "voluntary". This is a normalisation of child sexual abuse. About Minsky: > The injustice is in the word “assaulting”. The term “sexual assault” is so vague and slippery that it facilitates accusation inflation: taking claims that someone did X and leading people to think of it as Y, which is much worse than X. > The accusation quoted is a clear example of inflation. The reference reports the claim that Minsky had sex with one of Epstein’s harem. (See https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jef...) > Let’s presume that was true (I see no reason to disbelieve it). The word “assaulting” presumes that he applied force or violence, in some unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing. Only that they had sex. Here he is clearly saying that "assault" requires use of force, and using this misinterpretation of the word to defend Minsky's actions. He's wrong about the word assault. It does not require force or violence. You can find your own Stallman quotes about child sexual abuse and bestiality.

Chris2048 7y ago
> No, it's not a lie. Care to provide example of "that images are fine"? > Words like "willing" and "voluntary" Maybe look at the other words around those words for context. > This is a normalisation of... This is the infantilisation of language. Certain word "normalize" something, therefore adults are no longer allowed to be subjected to them. Language policing at its finest. > using this misinterpretation of the word Says who? Many people would assume the same. Should that be ignored because the legal definition, only fully understood by lawyers, differs? In terms of Minsky's reputation, it matters more what regular people think it means, than what definitions exist in law. The common misconception wrt what "sexual assault" implies is often utilised by malicious publications and prosecutions - maybe it's time to clean up the language.