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I am not a native English speaker - should I use 'nobody is allowed to defend' instead? He was punished for defending his friend and the parent post justifies t

by zby 7y ago

I am not a native English speaker - should I use 'nobody is allowed to defend' instead? He was punished for defending his friend and the parent post justifies that: "RMS was defending his friend who, at the age of 74, is accused of having sex with a 17 year old girl on a billionaire's private island. There is not a defense for what RMS was writing or how he was trying to defend Minsky. ... The firing was appropriate and reasonable, not a response to extremists, zealots, or some other kind of witch." As if it was enough to defend someone accused of some crime to be guilty as well. This is clearly absurd - so I am trying to get the author to explain what he really meant.

colechristensen 7y ago
RMS is not guilty of a crime, I don't think anyone is saying that. RMS can (could) make his defense, nobody stopped him, sreened or censored the posts, his opinions are legal. RMS can't (couldn't) make some of the statements he made and keep his prominent positions. The issue at hand is not that he was defending his deceased friend. Indeed I think it is very possible that the actual situation was that Minsky was there and declined the sexual advances. That is a story which is out there, I'm not here to judge if it's true or not. It was the way RMS was defending. Those specific statements are things you "can't" do and - qualifying here - keep a prominent public position, especially when you are making them in a prominent forum in that institution. RMS shouldn't be charged with a crime, but he did make a whole lot of people not want to work with or be associated with him.
- zby 7y ago
  OK - the whole flamewar shows that indeed the mailing list was probably not a good way of defending Minsky. It was not effective and it generated a lot of chaos. But then the question is what would be the appropriate way?
bandrami 7y ago
BTW: sorry if I was snappy; those modal verbs are often difficult for native English speakers also.

by zby 7y ago

colechristensen 7y ago

RMS is not guilty of a crime, I don't think anyone is saying that. RMS can (could) make his defense, nobody stopped him, sreened or censored the posts, his opinions are legal. RMS can't (couldn't) make some of the statements he made and keep his prominent positions. The issue at hand is not that he was defending his deceased friend. Indeed I think it is very possible that the actual situation was that Minsky was there and declined the sexual advances. That is a story which is out there, I'm not here to judge if it's true or not. It was the way RMS was defending. Those specific statements are things you "can't" do and - qualifying here - keep a prominent public position, especially when you are making them in a prominent forum in that institution. RMS shouldn't be charged with a crime, but he did make a whole lot of people not want to work with or be associated with him.

zby 7y ago
OK - the whole flamewar shows that indeed the mailing list was probably not a good way of defending Minsky. It was not effective and it generated a lot of chaos. But then the question is what would be the appropriate way?

bandrami 7y ago

BTW: sorry if I was snappy; those modal verbs are often difficult for native English speakers also.