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Your post is unabashed propaganda, full of false dichotomies, whataboutism, and false equivalence, with no love of truth. > China does not have freedom of spee

Your post is unabashed propaganda, full of false dichotomies, whataboutism, and false equivalence, with no love of truth. > China does not have freedom of speech but in a way neither does the US. A radical and undefended claim. In what way is this true? You never say. > did edward snowden have freedom? Yes he did. Then he broke the law and ran away from the consequences of his actions. > It's just another regime. A single-party regime with no term limits on executive power is a stark contrast with a representative democratic federation designed with a multitude of checks and balances on its own power structures. > you still have to use the products that China made for you because you as a country do not have the technical ability to manufacture the same products False choice between Chinese products & domestic. No reasonable person believes that China is the sole manufacturing presence on Earth. There are a multitude of other options. China, however, does need the US -- the largest free market on the planet. > Just like how the slaughter of millions of people by the nuclear bomb dropped on hiroshima by the united states does not define the united states as a country, neither do the protests of hong kong define China. Those two things are indeed important, defining characteristics of the two countries you describe. One of them was an act of world war decades ago. The other is current events, the result of an illegal act of oppression by a dystopian communist state, heavily indicative of what China is today.

crimsonalucard 7y ago
>Your post is unabashed propaganda Right and the government is paying me to say this on HN of all places. >A radical and undefended claim. In what way is this true? You never say. I thought this was obvious. Snowden did not have freedom of speech to reveal that the government was spying on its own citizens. You do not have the freedom of speech to threaten others. You do not have the freedom of speech to lie and slander about someone, it is literally in the law and people can sue you for this. Literally the law in the united states controls your speech using the justification of "security." China uses the exact same excuse. Is it a valid excuse? in both cases, I'm not sure. Definitely the US is more lax on these laws then China overall, but the atrocities done by the US on snowden is only one aspect of a country and it does not define the entire regime or its people. >A single-party regime with no term limits on executive power is a stark contrast with a representative democratic federation designed with a multitude of checks and balances on its own power structures. Right, vs. a government where people in power can (and are regularly) bribed with corporate money. Checks and balances in the united states is a check written as a bribe with a balance of over a million. >Those two things are indeed important, defining characteristics of the two countries you describe. One of them was an act of world war decades ago. The other is current events, the result of an illegal act of oppression by a dystopian communist state, heavily indicative of what China is today. Yeah the wholesale slaughter of millions of innocent civilians during wartime is excused with a couple of decades vs. a fucking protest happening right now can't be excused and must be used to define an entire nation and its people. That's not the point. The point, is the united states was never defined entirely by the bomb. You still are a country separate in culture and identity from a nuclear bomb or imperfections within the government. China is largely the same thing. However because they are economic rivals with the US the media largely magnifies the things they do. You really need to go and live their to see that it's not as horrible as the media makes it out to be. The LGBT person above feared for his life. That's next level brain washing right there.
- johnfactorial 7y ago
  > Right and the government is paying me to say this on HN of all places. Straw man. No one has accused you of this. > You do not have the freedom of speech to threaten others. You have defined freedom of speech in a way that merely assists your argument. No one should expect the freedom you describe. > Checks and balances in the united states is a check written as a bribe Undefended baseless hyperbolic claim. > slaughter of millions of innocent civilians during wartime is excused with a couple of decades Straw man. I made it clear that this act is definitive of the USA just as Chinese government's present day actions are definitive of it. > The LGBT person above feared for his life. That's next level brain washing right there. No idea what you're talking about. In summary, your thread rapidly devolved into a political flame war, I am sorry to have ever engaged with you, and I am done now.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    >In summary, your thread rapidly devolved into a political flame war, I am sorry to have ever engaged with you, and I am done now. Wow, if you regret engaging why the heck do you have to engage again then run away with your tail between your legs. >Straw man. I made it clear that this act is definitive of the USA just as Chinese government's present day actions are definitive of it. If this action defines you then you need to be executed. Literally for the murder of thousands. It's a war crime. Be glad it doesn't define the country or you. >Undefended baseless hyperbolic claim. Like your entire argument. >You have defined freedom of speech in a way that merely assists your argument. No one should expect the freedom you describe. I have defined it the way it's defined in english. If no one expects the freedom then there is no freedom in the first place. Your definition of freedom is a very specific subset, exacting and detailed, while mine is literally the dictionary definition of freedom and speech. >Straw man. No one has accused you of this. You literally said that I'm spreading propaganda rather than my opinions as if I'm trying to deliberately manipulate. Governments usually do this hence it's assumed that's what you implied. Either way, if anything your insidious response is probably what caused this whole thread to devolve into a flame war. You aren't done. You never will be. I'm the one done with you, permanently. Stop using the term strawman when your entire argument is a strawman.

crimsonalucard 7y ago

>Your post is unabashed propaganda Right and the government is paying me to say this on HN of all places. >A radical and undefended claim. In what way is this true? You never say. I thought this was obvious. Snowden did not have freedom of speech to reveal that the government was spying on its own citizens. You do not have the freedom of speech to threaten others. You do not have the freedom of speech to lie and slander about someone, it is literally in the law and people can sue you for this. Literally the law in the united states controls your speech using the justification of "security." China uses the exact same excuse. Is it a valid excuse? in both cases, I'm not sure. Definitely the US is more lax on these laws then China overall, but the atrocities done by the US on snowden is only one aspect of a country and it does not define the entire regime or its people. >A single-party regime with no term limits on executive power is a stark contrast with a representative democratic federation designed with a multitude of checks and balances on its own power structures. Right, vs. a government where people in power can (and are regularly) bribed with corporate money. Checks and balances in the united states is a check written as a bribe with a balance of over a million. >Those two things are indeed important, defining characteristics of the two countries you describe. One of them was an act of world war decades ago. The other is current events, the result of an illegal act of oppression by a dystopian communist state, heavily indicative of what China is today. Yeah the wholesale slaughter of millions of innocent civilians during wartime is excused with a couple of decades vs. a fucking protest happening right now can't be excused and must be used to define an entire nation and its people. That's not the point. The point, is the united states was never defined entirely by the bomb. You still are a country separate in culture and identity from a nuclear bomb or imperfections within the government. China is largely the same thing. However because they are economic rivals with the US the media largely magnifies the things they do. You really need to go and live their to see that it's not as horrible as the media makes it out to be. The LGBT person above feared for his life. That's next level brain washing right there.

johnfactorial 7y ago
> Right and the government is paying me to say this on HN of all places. Straw man. No one has accused you of this. > You do not have the freedom of speech to threaten others. You have defined freedom of speech in a way that merely assists your argument. No one should expect the freedom you describe. > Checks and balances in the united states is a check written as a bribe Undefended baseless hyperbolic claim. > slaughter of millions of innocent civilians during wartime is excused with a couple of decades Straw man. I made it clear that this act is definitive of the USA just as Chinese government's present day actions are definitive of it. > The LGBT person above feared for his life. That's next level brain washing right there. No idea what you're talking about. In summary, your thread rapidly devolved into a political flame war, I am sorry to have ever engaged with you, and I am done now.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  >In summary, your thread rapidly devolved into a political flame war, I am sorry to have ever engaged with you, and I am done now. Wow, if you regret engaging why the heck do you have to engage again then run away with your tail between your legs. >Straw man. I made it clear that this act is definitive of the USA just as Chinese government's present day actions are definitive of it. If this action defines you then you need to be executed. Literally for the murder of thousands. It's a war crime. Be glad it doesn't define the country or you. >Undefended baseless hyperbolic claim. Like your entire argument. >You have defined freedom of speech in a way that merely assists your argument. No one should expect the freedom you describe. I have defined it the way it's defined in english. If no one expects the freedom then there is no freedom in the first place. Your definition of freedom is a very specific subset, exacting and detailed, while mine is literally the dictionary definition of freedom and speech. >Straw man. No one has accused you of this. You literally said that I'm spreading propaganda rather than my opinions as if I'm trying to deliberately manipulate. Governments usually do this hence it's assumed that's what you implied. Either way, if anything your insidious response is probably what caused this whole thread to devolve into a flame war. You aren't done. You never will be. I'm the one done with you, permanently. Stop using the term strawman when your entire argument is a strawman.