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Leadership does not mean stay woke or we'll cancel you. Stallman should not have stepped down.

by devoply 7y ago

namesbc 7y ago
How about don't defend child rape or we'll remove you from any position of power over another human?
- prongletown 7y ago
  People have been harping on "staying woke" and "cancel culture" as a way of criticizing changing values about sexual abuse and positions of power. When you dig into every case where you see this, there's almost always reasonable context.
- craigsmansion 7y ago
  How about not alleging dead people are violent child rapists without any evidence, and then, when being called out on your false allegations, create a media storm of manufactured outrage to punish the person who called you out on them?
- viklove 7y ago
  I don't think anyone is defending child rape, but rather questioning what even constitutes "child rape." There's obviously a difference between a 7 year old and a 17 year old, and using one term (child) to describe both cases seems strange.
  - VikingCoder 7y ago
    Really? You don't think anyone is defending sex with minors? "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing." https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%202006%20(Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party) https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%20...
prongletown 7y ago
This is not an issue of "staying woke". Arguing that statutory rape is "absurd" is not "staying woke". Stallman said some things that were deeply troubling to a lot of people, myself included. That aside... His judgement in making these statements, in a public way, was extremely poor. As a representative of FSF and MIT, he stepped far out of the boundary of what's considered reasonable. Leadership means knowing how to lead, and that includes not demoralizing your organization with controversy. He didn't step down. He was fired with the option of keeping his dignity.
- devoply 7y ago
  It's in fact morally absurd to have it be statutory rape in one jurisdiction and not in another, depending on age. That's a fact, if you don't like it you can kindly go bury you head in the woke sand.
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  - VikingCoder 7y ago
    It's "morally absurd" for different jurisdictions to self-govern? Or for them to disagree with each other? What universal age do you think everyone in all jurisdictions should be forced to accept, and how do you intend to enforce your moral superiority on them?
    - devoply 7y ago
      Taken logically some jurisdictions have legislation and legislators that allows for and perhaps it could be argued support rape according to other jurisdictions. Given this is the case how does such a rape supporting jurisdiction have any legal authority whatsoever to for instance compel another jurisdiction to turn over people guilty of other crimes say murder? And vice versa, according to the rape supporting jurisdiction how can one which supports imprisoning innocent people for things which are not criminal have any legal relationship to the other?

Leadership does not mean stay woke or we'll cancel you. Stallman should not have stepped down.

namesbc 7y ago

How about don't defend child rape or we'll remove you from any position of power over another human?

prongletown 7y ago
People have been harping on "staying woke" and "cancel culture" as a way of criticizing changing values about sexual abuse and positions of power. When you dig into every case where you see this, there's almost always reasonable context.
craigsmansion 7y ago
How about not alleging dead people are violent child rapists without any evidence, and then, when being called out on your false allegations, create a media storm of manufactured outrage to punish the person who called you out on them?
viklove 7y ago
I don't think anyone is defending child rape, but rather questioning what even constitutes "child rape." There's obviously a difference between a 7 year old and a 17 year old, and using one term (child) to describe both cases seems strange.
- VikingCoder 7y ago
  Really? You don't think anyone is defending sex with minors? "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing." https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%202006%20(Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party) https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%20...

prongletown 7y ago

This is not an issue of "staying woke". Arguing that statutory rape is "absurd" is not "staying woke". Stallman said some things that were deeply troubling to a lot of people, myself included. That aside... His judgement in making these statements, in a public way, was extremely poor. As a representative of FSF and MIT, he stepped far out of the boundary of what's considered reasonable. Leadership means knowing how to lead, and that includes not demoralizing your organization with controversy. He didn't step down. He was fired with the option of keeping his dignity.

devoply 7y ago
It's in fact morally absurd to have it be statutory rape in one jurisdiction and not in another, depending on age. That's a fact, if you don't like it you can kindly go bury you head in the woke sand.
- deleted 7y ago
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- VikingCoder 7y ago
  It's "morally absurd" for different jurisdictions to self-govern? Or for them to disagree with each other? What universal age do you think everyone in all jurisdictions should be forced to accept, and how do you intend to enforce your moral superiority on them?
  - devoply 7y ago
    Taken logically some jurisdictions have legislation and legislators that allows for and perhaps it could be argued support rape according to other jurisdictions. Given this is the case how does such a rape supporting jurisdiction have any legal authority whatsoever to for instance compel another jurisdiction to turn over people guilty of other crimes say murder? And vice versa, according to the rape supporting jurisdiction how can one which supports imprisoning innocent people for things which are not criminal have any legal relationship to the other?