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There are fundamental rules in the bill of rights the govt has passed laws to circumvent. Those laws are fundamentally illegal

• colejohnson66 7y ago
  Such as?
  • MereInterest 7y ago
    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Any law that allows the NSA carte blanche to observe my communication is a law authorizing unreasonable search and seizure, and is therefore unconstitutional.
    • tssva 7y ago
      I'm not aware of any law that gives the NSA carte blanche to observe my communications. Can you site the specific law?
      • colejohnson66 7y ago
        The PATRIOT Act is a big one[0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
        • jonnybgood 7y ago
          It would be helpful if you could cite specifically where it says the NSA can do this. I don't see it anywhere on the wikipedia page.
          • bumby 7y ago
            Sec. 201. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic communications relating to terrorism. [0] Sec. 202. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic communications relating to computer fraud and abuse offenses. [0] Sec. 217. Interception of computer trespasser communications. [0] "by striking ‘‘wire and oral’’ and inserting ‘‘wire, oral, and electronic’’"[0] Allows federal agents to follow sophisticated terrorists trained to evade detection. For years, law enforcement has been able to use "roving wiretaps" to investigate ordinary crimes, including drug offenses and racketeering. A roving wiretap can be authorized by a federal judge to apply to a particular suspect, rather than a particular phone or communications device. Because international terrorists are sophisticated and trained to thwart surveillance by rapidly changing locations and communication devices such as cell phones, the Act authorized agents to seek court permission to use the same techniques in national security investigations to track terrorists.[1] This was just a cursory look into the Act. To be fair, it looks like there is a judge involved but who knows how rigorous the approval procedure is. It didn't read to me as a 'carte blanche' approval, but again, it may be in the eye of the beholder of the agency/judge. [0] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-107hr3162enr/pdf/BILLS-107hr3162enr.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-107hr3162enr/pdf/B... [1] https://www.justice.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htm https://www.justice.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htm
          • geggam 7y ago
            Here is another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter
            • tssva 7y ago
              "By law, NSLs can request only non-content information, for example, transactional records and phone numbers dialed, but never the content of telephone calls or e-mails." Also NSL's can be contested in court. No carte blanche to observe my communications.
              • geggam 7y ago
                Non content information is content. Meta data can be used as a serious invasion of privacy. This semantic dance violates the spirit of the law.
        • tssva 7y ago
          DOesn't contain carte blanche for the NSA to observe my communications. There are limitations and checks. They may not be a strong as some would like but the law give far from carte blanche permission.
          • colejohnson66 7y ago
            You’re quibbling over semantics in this thread. Yes, they don’t legally have carte blanche, but they sure act like it does. Have you even looked at the Snowden leaks? They may not be authorized to have carte blanche access to many things, but through programs like PRISM, they had essentially, the entire internet at their fingertips.
      • geggam 7y ago
        Executive orders count ? https://epic.org/privacy/surveillance/12333/ https://epic.org/privacy/surveillance/12333/
        • tssva 7y ago
          Where in the executive order is carte blanche for the NSA to observe communications given? I can't find it.
          • geggam 7y ago
            It doesn't have to, the fact it observes communication without due process violates the constitution. Full stop.
  • geggam 7y ago
    Another example... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone 1st amendment ensures the entire US is a free speech zone.