4 ms·

That does not make it less illegal. It just makes it a perfect candidate for jury nullification! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification https://en.w

by koolba 7y ago

That does not make it less illegal. It just makes it a perfect candidate for jury nullification! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

beardog 7y ago
and now neither you nor anyone else who reads this comment are able to properly serve on the jury
- kchamplewski 7y ago
  I'd be curious to see an explanation of why just knowing about jury nullification would disqualify you from being on a jury - obviously if you intend to nullify or "helpfully" inform the other jurors about nullification you should disclose it and therefore be disqualified, but I do not see how knowledge of nullification counts as something that should disqualify you if you have no intention of nullifying.
  - beardog 7y ago
    I didn't say it would legally disqualify you, just that it would prevent you from doing jury duty properly.
    - kchamplewski 7y ago
      In what way though? Knowing that I could nullify does not in any way prevent me from properly concluding a verdict based on the laws that are in place. It's only if I choose to actually nullify that I'm not doing jury duty properly, but the knowledge of nullification as far as I can understand in no way prevents me from doing jury duty properly.
  - koolba 7y ago
    There’s generally very loose discretion to eliminate potential jurors. Often without providing any reason at all. A prosecutor, given the option and knowledge of the situation, would never willingly have a person on the jury that knows they could totally disregard the criminality of the charges at hand.
    - blaser-waffle 7y ago
      That works for the defense as well -- they're allowed to object to jurors too, for the same reasons: potential biases, ability to see through sophistry, etc.
dredmorbius 7y ago
This is a civil lawsuit. Jury nullification gets its teeth from the principle of (no) double jeopardy: once a defendant in a criminal case is found not guilty of a charge, they cannot be re-tried on those same charges. (There are an increasing number of loopholes, including of charges in another, or higher, jurisdictions, and/or on different charges.) The prosecution has no right of appeal. The defence does. This is not the case in a civil suit. Either party (plaintif, here, the US government, or defence, here, Snowden) may appeal an unfavourable decision, through courts of appeal or ultimately the Supreme Court. Jury nullification specifically does not apply to this case.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]

by koolba 7y ago

That does not make it less illegal. It just makes it a perfect candidate for jury nullification! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

beardog 7y ago

and now neither you nor anyone else who reads this comment are able to properly serve on the jury

kchamplewski 7y ago
I'd be curious to see an explanation of why just knowing about jury nullification would disqualify you from being on a jury - obviously if you intend to nullify or "helpfully" inform the other jurors about nullification you should disclose it and therefore be disqualified, but I do not see how knowledge of nullification counts as something that should disqualify you if you have no intention of nullifying.
- beardog 7y ago
  I didn't say it would legally disqualify you, just that it would prevent you from doing jury duty properly.
  - kchamplewski 7y ago
    In what way though? Knowing that I could nullify does not in any way prevent me from properly concluding a verdict based on the laws that are in place. It's only if I choose to actually nullify that I'm not doing jury duty properly, but the knowledge of nullification as far as I can understand in no way prevents me from doing jury duty properly.
- koolba 7y ago
  There’s generally very loose discretion to eliminate potential jurors. Often without providing any reason at all. A prosecutor, given the option and knowledge of the situation, would never willingly have a person on the jury that knows they could totally disregard the criminality of the charges at hand.
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    That works for the defense as well -- they're allowed to object to jurors too, for the same reasons: potential biases, ability to see through sophistry, etc.

dredmorbius 7y ago

This is a civil lawsuit. Jury nullification gets its teeth from the principle of (no) double jeopardy: once a defendant in a criminal case is found not guilty of a charge, they cannot be re-tried on those same charges. (There are an increasing number of loopholes, including of charges in another, or higher, jurisdictions, and/or on different charges.) The prosecution has no right of appeal. The defence does. This is not the case in a civil suit. Either party (plaintif, here, the US government, or defence, here, Snowden) may appeal an unfavourable decision, through courts of appeal or ultimately the Supreme Court. Jury nullification specifically does not apply to this case.

deleted 7y ago
[deleted]