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As a user I also now need to keep up with the updates more frequently. Either deal with a more frequent risk of getting an update I don't like, or get nagged mo

As a user I also now need to keep up with the updates more frequently. Either deal with a more frequent risk of getting an update I don't like, or get nagged more frequently with annoying pop-ups to update if I don't want to, or turn off everything and miss out on the critical security updates.

vvillena 7y ago
No you don't. You had automated updates before, and you'll have automated updates now. Same with Chrome.
- boring_twenties 7y ago
  That is already addressed in the parent comment, "deal with a more frequent risk of getting an update I don't like"
  - Ajedi32 7y ago
    This isn't going to significantly increase the speed at which new features are developed, just the speed at which they're released. The overall risk of you encountering a new feature you don't like won't be higher.
    - acqq 7y ago
      Whoever spends some fixed amount of time evaluating the release will now spend more than 50% time than before. I’m one of those. If I’m only one of 200 (as in, 199 don't care) and if Firefox has 200 million users, Firefox will waste millions of hours of user’s time per each additional release.
      - Ajedi32 7y ago
        Sounds like Firefox ESR is for you then.
    - boring_twenties 7y ago
      It's not necessarily the number of features but the process of preparing oneself for changes likely to be surprising, unpleasant, require workarounds or length research as to workarounds, etc.
    - boring_twenties 7y ago
      It's not necessarily the number of features but the process of preparing oneself for changes likely to be surprising, unpleasant, require workarounds or length research as to workarounds, etc. Even if it's just a matter of reading the release notes, having to do that twice as often is a non-zero burden. Of course there is Firefox ESR but I seem to remember Mozilla's website basically explicitly recommending against it with language along the lines of "This is only for people whose corporate policies require it, don't install it unless you have no other choice."
      - acdha 7y ago
        > process of preparing oneself for changes likely to be surprising, unpleasant, require workarounds Do you actually do this? Do you think the percentage of users who do exceeds 1%? I mean, I do read the release notes for new web features but that’s because I know from the stats that almost all of our users will be updated shortly after release.
  - acdha 7y ago
    There are two questions you should ask: will this change the odds of a new feature I don't like being developed, and will an extra few weeks mean that they'll do anything other than complain? History suggests the answer to both is no, which means there's not much value discussing it.
I_AM_A_SMURF 7y ago
Just switch to ESR if you don't want constant updates?
- cpeterso 7y ago
  Firefox ESR still receives updates on the same schedule as regular Firefox. The ESR updates are just limited to security fixes, so ESR will still download minor updates but you'll only see big changes once a year for major updates (like Firefox ESR 60.8 -> 68.0).
- paulddraper 7y ago
  Yep, this is exactly the reason they exist.

vvillena 7y ago

No you don't. You had automated updates before, and you'll have automated updates now. Same with Chrome.

boring_twenties 7y ago
That is already addressed in the parent comment, "deal with a more frequent risk of getting an update I don't like"
- Ajedi32 7y ago
  This isn't going to significantly increase the speed at which new features are developed, just the speed at which they're released. The overall risk of you encountering a new feature you don't like won't be higher.
  - acqq 7y ago
    Whoever spends some fixed amount of time evaluating the release will now spend more than 50% time than before. I’m one of those. If I’m only one of 200 (as in, 199 don't care) and if Firefox has 200 million users, Firefox will waste millions of hours of user’s time per each additional release.
    - Ajedi32 7y ago
      Sounds like Firefox ESR is for you then.
  - boring_twenties 7y ago
    It's not necessarily the number of features but the process of preparing oneself for changes likely to be surprising, unpleasant, require workarounds or length research as to workarounds, etc.
  - boring_twenties 7y ago
    It's not necessarily the number of features but the process of preparing oneself for changes likely to be surprising, unpleasant, require workarounds or length research as to workarounds, etc. Even if it's just a matter of reading the release notes, having to do that twice as often is a non-zero burden. Of course there is Firefox ESR but I seem to remember Mozilla's website basically explicitly recommending against it with language along the lines of "This is only for people whose corporate policies require it, don't install it unless you have no other choice."
    - acdha 7y ago
      > process of preparing oneself for changes likely to be surprising, unpleasant, require workarounds Do you actually do this? Do you think the percentage of users who do exceeds 1%? I mean, I do read the release notes for new web features but that’s because I know from the stats that almost all of our users will be updated shortly after release.
- acdha 7y ago
  There are two questions you should ask: will this change the odds of a new feature I don't like being developed, and will an extra few weeks mean that they'll do anything other than complain? History suggests the answer to both is no, which means there's not much value discussing it.

I_AM_A_SMURF 7y ago

Just switch to ESR if you don't want constant updates?

cpeterso 7y ago
Firefox ESR still receives updates on the same schedule as regular Firefox. The ESR updates are just limited to security fixes, so ESR will still download minor updates but you'll only see big changes once a year for major updates (like Firefox ESR 60.8 -> 68.0).
paulddraper 7y ago
Yep, this is exactly the reason they exist.