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If Amazon doesn't pay you, then why are you scared of breaking Amazon? I understand why somebody would be scared of that. They're big and important to the tu

If Amazon doesn't pay you, then why are you scared of breaking Amazon? I understand why somebody would be scared of that. They're big and important to the tune of many many billions of dollars, while you or I are not. But you shouldn't let that get to you. You should make a conscious effort to not let that get to you. If they want you to take their problems personally, let them hire you. If they can be broken by you but are unwilling to pay you, then fuck them. Put them lower in your priority queue than private individuals.

senderista 7y ago
https://youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48 https://youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  Mike Monteiro's version runs slightly longer: https://invidio.us/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U https://invidio.us/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U (Fuck you, pay me.)
snek 7y ago
Well that is indeed what I said, you just have to get used to telling people that. That's the big problem. That's the reason this thread on HN exists. People trying to figure out the right path, how to ask for money on their little OSS projects, etc.
sytringy05 7y ago
I would love to have created something that was so critical it could break amazon. That sounds like a ticket to $5k a day consulting gigs
- glenneroo 7y ago
  From the article: > It’s still not clear that companies would be interested in such a contract. When Stenberg asked the company that needed him to fly to a different country to troubleshoot their problem to pay for one, they refused.
kqr 7y ago
If one of your primary motivations for working on FOSS is to improve the world (which for many of us is the case), then it's very easy to feel an obligation to un-break Amazon because it is a quick way to improve the world for millions of people. That, on its own, is fine. It brings you satisfaction rather than financial support. What starts being fishy is when companies like Amazon who can readily afford to offer financial support instead rely on and exploit that sense of obligation to get work done for free. I realise this sounds whiny and that's not the point. The point is that by withholding FOSS contributors financial support, these companies are creating an environment in which the best and most dedicated contributors run the risk of burning themselves out, making everyone worse for it.

senderista 7y ago

https://youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48 https://youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48

dredmorbius 7y ago
Mike Monteiro's version runs slightly longer: https://invidio.us/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U https://invidio.us/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U (Fuck you, pay me.)

snek 7y ago

Well that is indeed what I said, you just have to get used to telling people that. That's the big problem. That's the reason this thread on HN exists. People trying to figure out the right path, how to ask for money on their little OSS projects, etc.

sytringy05 7y ago

I would love to have created something that was so critical it could break amazon. That sounds like a ticket to $5k a day consulting gigs

glenneroo 7y ago
From the article: > It’s still not clear that companies would be interested in such a contract. When Stenberg asked the company that needed him to fly to a different country to troubleshoot their problem to pay for one, they refused.

kqr 7y ago

If one of your primary motivations for working on FOSS is to improve the world (which for many of us is the case), then it's very easy to feel an obligation to un-break Amazon because it is a quick way to improve the world for millions of people. That, on its own, is fine. It brings you satisfaction rather than financial support. What starts being fishy is when companies like Amazon who can readily afford to offer financial support instead rely on and exploit that sense of obligation to get work done for free. I realise this sounds whiny and that's not the point. The point is that by withholding FOSS contributors financial support, these companies are creating an environment in which the best and most dedicated contributors run the risk of burning themselves out, making everyone worse for it.