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I mean... other than the obvious ones? (i.e. the same reasons which are why North American companies usually don't or can't request a photo...)

by mfoy_ 7y ago

otterley 7y ago
I can't think of an obvious reason why anyone -- other than someone being hired specifically for their looks such as a model or an actor -- should include their photo along with their curriculum vitae. What "obvious" reasons are you thinking of? To prove they're not a bot or a house pet?
- mfoy_ 7y ago
  To quote Drawn Together's Foxxy Love: "This whole test is racially biased! Question one: 'What SPF lotion would you use if your were going down to the polo grounds, fellow Klan member?'"
  - otterley 7y ago
    ... I don't get it. I mean, I get the joke, but not how it supports your argument.
    - mfoy_ 7y ago
      I'm sorry... I mean, really? I thought you were just trolling originally, playing up the "I don't see race" trope. Well, I'll spell it out very plainly for you then: A profile picture facilitates hiring discrimination on the basis of age, sex, race, beauty, and possibly other factors as well. You'd get into trouble if you wrote "I am a young, white, normal-looking man" on the top of your resume... but maybe if you just sliiide a little headshot in you'll get the message across.
      - wolco 7y ago
        People assume white/male would benefit. But something tells me attractive people and females would receive more interviews requests.
        aspaceman 7y ago
        Perhaps, and who would get picked because they look the most “professional”, “relatable” or “likable”? It doesn’t have to be an active decision to be racial bias. Could just be your gut, “looks like a good person to me” instinct
        wolco 7y ago
        “professional”, “relatable” or “likable” I really do think women would get high marks and probably beat out many males in these categories. Maybe young/old but a resume clearly gives that away.
      - otterley 7y ago
        > A profile picture facilitates hiring discrimination on the basis of age, sex, race, beauty, and possibly other factors as well. I agree with you. That's why I said I don't see why anyone other than an actor should put their photo on a resume, because it makes it easier for the reviewer to discriminate based on illegitimate reasons. Perhaps there's a misunderstanding? This discussion thread has been about why anyone should include a photo, not why they shouldn't. Unless they want to attempt to benefit from such discrimination by having a favored appearance, which we want to discourage.
        lazyasciiart 7y ago
        The reason people should do it today is because in some places, not including a photo would be like leaving out your name. The likely reason that custom began, which is I think what was being explained, is racism.
        em-bee 7y ago
        given that germany is the country where this custom is common, and adding that especially in germany any non-german can easily be recognized by their name alone, giving racism as the reason for that custom to develop is almost absurd.
        lazyasciiart 7y ago
        Germany may be a country where this is common, but not the only one by a long way. And no, a German name does not tell the potential employer that your mother was a foreigner? https://us.experteer.com/magazine/should-you-put-a-photo-on-your-cv/ https://us.experteer.com/magazine/should-you-put-a-photo-on-...
        em-bee 7y ago
        it doesn't, but in germany that's a small minority of cases. and even germans who would want to preferably hire other germans would not worry about that case as long as one parent is german. you have to keep in mind that germany has a strong fear of history repeating itself and has strong laws to prevent that. so any hint of xenophobia in the hiring process could be a PR or legal nightmare for a company. if photos on the resume would be a problem in that regard, they'd have been outlawed already.
- cortesoft 7y ago
  Because of racism and sexism, so they can hire other people that look like them.

I mean... other than the obvious ones? (i.e. the same reasons which are why North American companies usually don't or can't request a photo...)

by mfoy_ 7y ago

I mean... other than the obvious ones? (i.e. the same reasons which are why North American companies usually don't or can't request a photo...)

otterley 7y ago

I can't think of an obvious reason why anyone -- other than someone being hired specifically for their looks such as a model or an actor -- should include their photo along with their curriculum vitae. What "obvious" reasons are you thinking of? To prove they're not a bot or a house pet?

mfoy_ 7y ago
To quote Drawn Together's Foxxy Love: "This whole test is racially biased! Question one: 'What SPF lotion would you use if your were going down to the polo grounds, fellow Klan member?'"
- otterley 7y ago
  ... I don't get it. I mean, I get the joke, but not how it supports your argument.
  - mfoy_ 7y ago
    I'm sorry... I mean, really? I thought you were just trolling originally, playing up the "I don't see race" trope. Well, I'll spell it out very plainly for you then: A profile picture facilitates hiring discrimination on the basis of age, sex, race, beauty, and possibly other factors as well. You'd get into trouble if you wrote "I am a young, white, normal-looking man" on the top of your resume... but maybe if you just sliiide a little headshot in you'll get the message across.
    - wolco 7y ago
      People assume white/male would benefit. But something tells me attractive people and females would receive more interviews requests.
      - aspaceman 7y ago
        Perhaps, and who would get picked because they look the most “professional”, “relatable” or “likable”? It doesn’t have to be an active decision to be racial bias. Could just be your gut, “looks like a good person to me” instinct
        wolco 7y ago
        “professional”, “relatable” or “likable” I really do think women would get high marks and probably beat out many males in these categories. Maybe young/old but a resume clearly gives that away.
    - otterley 7y ago
      > A profile picture facilitates hiring discrimination on the basis of age, sex, race, beauty, and possibly other factors as well. I agree with you. That's why I said I don't see why anyone other than an actor should put their photo on a resume, because it makes it easier for the reviewer to discriminate based on illegitimate reasons. Perhaps there's a misunderstanding? This discussion thread has been about why anyone should include a photo, not why they shouldn't. Unless they want to attempt to benefit from such discrimination by having a favored appearance, which we want to discourage.
      - lazyasciiart 7y ago
        The reason people should do it today is because in some places, not including a photo would be like leaving out your name. The likely reason that custom began, which is I think what was being explained, is racism.
        em-bee 7y ago
        given that germany is the country where this custom is common, and adding that especially in germany any non-german can easily be recognized by their name alone, giving racism as the reason for that custom to develop is almost absurd.
        lazyasciiart 7y ago
        Germany may be a country where this is common, but not the only one by a long way. And no, a German name does not tell the potential employer that your mother was a foreigner? https://us.experteer.com/magazine/should-you-put-a-photo-on-your-cv/ https://us.experteer.com/magazine/should-you-put-a-photo-on-...
        em-bee 7y ago
        it doesn't, but in germany that's a small minority of cases. and even germans who would want to preferably hire other germans would not worry about that case as long as one parent is german. you have to keep in mind that germany has a strong fear of history repeating itself and has strong laws to prevent that. so any hint of xenophobia in the hiring process could be a PR or legal nightmare for a company. if photos on the resume would be a problem in that regard, they'd have been outlawed already.
cortesoft 7y ago
Because of racism and sexism, so they can hire other people that look like them.