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So the argument would be the the (male) paleontologists, museum curators, etc. had such a burning hatred for women that they chose male specimens to cultivate a
by andonisus 7y ago
So the argument would be the the (male) paleontologists, museum curators, etc. had such a burning hatred for women that they chose male specimens to cultivate and display?
- black_puppydog 7y agoor simply that male subjects are for some reason or another easier to present in an interesting way, as decided by curators etc of any gender.
- andonisus 7y agoHow would that be a case of misogyny, then?
- daveFNbuck 7y agoIt isn't. No one is saying that it is.
- salad77 7y agoYou've got it, there's even a paper on this regarding glaciology see https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0309132515623368 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/030913251562336...
- andonisus 7y agoI (unfortunately) cannot access this paper because it is behind a paywall, but surely it must be satire?
- salad77 7y agoSomeone saved you the trouble of reading it https://ricochet.com/320028/archives/i-read-the-famous-feminist-glaciology-paper-so-you-dont-have-to/ https://ricochet.com/320028/archives/i-read-the-famous-femin... Many people were confused as to this being satire or not but one of the authors did a Q&A to help clear things up https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/qa-author-feminist-glaciology-study-reflects-sudden-appearance-culture-wars https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/qa-author-feminist-g...
- krastanov 7y agoPlease do not flame the discussion with strawmans. This is a very uncharitable interpretation of what OP wrote. It is not about hatred, it is about minor subconscious preferences that if they exist, the can cause noticeable effects in aggregate.
- andonisus 7y agoWhat I wrote is not a strawman, it is the definition of misogyny. Perhaps you are conflating this with sexism. The article used the word misogyny, so that is what I am using.
- daveFNbuck 7y agoThe article said there was no misogyny. My comment also said that. No one is arguing that people were being driven by misogyny.
- andonisus 7y agoThe article starts by mentioning "less to do with misogyny". My comment is about sexism, specifically misogyny (as used by the article). You reply to my comment taking about how it can be plausible that it is misogyny. I believe we are talking about misogyny.
- daveFNbuck 7y agoMy comment was that it's not completely absurd to rule out sexism because human biases have affected the gender composition of similar collections. That's pretty far from making a specific argument about how misogyny is involved.
- AstralStorm 7y agoIt is completely absurd as you have absolutely less than zero evidence to support it has occurred. The main problem here is the binomial distribution, not any other kind of bias. Fossils are rare enough that even a small change in behavior could really stack the deck. Do you think the was perhaps a child bias in Homo fossils caused by curators? (They're overrepresented probably for obvious reasons.)
- daveFNbuck 7y agoNo, the argument is that this didn't happen.