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Wait what?

iliketocomplain 7y ago
He's a man. Shouldn't come as a surprise if you look at any pic of him. Edit for clarity: Talking about the author of this dystopian contributor covenant.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Ok, I can't tell at this point. Too ambiguous for me to know for sure (though looks decidedly masculine); I just looked, and apparently this person is a transsexual? Lord but this is confusing.
  - davinic 7y ago
    It's not confusing. She is a woman, and iliketocomplain is a transphobe. Edit: a cowardly transphobe, who created an alt account hours ago to post their garbage.
    - big_chungus 7y ago
      "She" is not a woman. I hadn't looked at pictures, but that's clearly the case. Coraline Emkhe is still a man, and will always be one. There's a difference between being unwilling to endorse someone else's mental illness and being a "transphobe".
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > "She" is not a woman. Coraline Emkhe is a woman. > I hadn't looked at pictures, but that's clearly the case. Pictures might give you an idea of how stereotypical someone's gender presentation is for a particular gender, but they aren't dispositive evidence as to gender. In any case, and while I reject this as a valid basis for judgement in the strongest possible terms, I can't even find any post-transition pictures of Emkhe that have anything but a conventionally feminine outward gender presentation (on Google, there are a couple associated with her name that don't, but they are pictures of Chris Wanstranth and Eric S Raymond that are from articles about Emkhe.)
        iliketocomplain 7y ago
        We're talking facts (biological ones in this case), you clearly aren't. Edit: missing parenthesis
        big_chungus 7y ago
        > Coraline Emkhe is a woman. > Nuh-uh! Fixed that for you. Gotta offer something better. I'm not a fluffy pink unicorn, just 'cause I say I am. > gender presentation Why should "gender presentation" influence some one's biological sex? Or how said person dresses? Or surgeries undertaken? Or simple "belief"? You can believe what ever you want, but that shouldn't force me to change my behavior; e.g. a Moslem with a religious objection to eating pork can't force others not to do so. Or how I refer to that person? I'll call him "Coraline" because that's his legal name, but I'm not calling him a "she". If you're interested in seriously hashing this out, my email is in my profile. I don't want this to turn into a flame war. "Debate me in the ring, one-on-one!"
        dragonwriter 7y ago
        > Why should "gender presentation" influence some one's biological sex? No one has suggested it should. “Man” and “woman” are terms of ascribed gender, which until recently was usually ascribed based on assessment of genitalia at birth (“biological sex” is a different though related issue) and considered immutable, but is now, in most of the developed West (despite usually being still initially assessed by genitalia at birth) held as something which should be adjusted to align with gender identity. > but that shouldn't force me to change my behavio Obviously, no one (on HN) is forcing you to abandon the retrograde and transphobic behavior of misgendering individuals based on imposing your personal preference for how and on what basis they should be gendered over their gender identity. Calling it out, sure. Forcing you to change, no.
        big_chungus 7y ago
        >> Why should "gender presentation" influence some one's biological sex? > No one has suggested it should. Then how can you claim he should be referred to as a woman? > Man and woman are terms of ascribed gender They are innate. Why would that not be so? > something which should be adjusted to align with gender identity Why? Transsexuality is a mental illness, and ought to be treated as such. > retrograde and transphobic behavior Why are you classifying my actions as such?

Wait what?

He's a man. Shouldn't come as a surprise if you look at any pic of him. Edit for clarity: Talking about the author of this dystopian contributor covenant.

big_chungus 7y ago
Ok, I can't tell at this point. Too ambiguous for me to know for sure (though looks decidedly masculine); I just looked, and apparently this person is a transsexual? Lord but this is confusing.
- davinic 7y ago
  It's not confusing. She is a woman, and iliketocomplain is a transphobe. Edit: a cowardly transphobe, who created an alt account hours ago to post their garbage.
  - big_chungus 7y ago
    "She" is not a woman. I hadn't looked at pictures, but that's clearly the case. Coraline Emkhe is still a man, and will always be one. There's a difference between being unwilling to endorse someone else's mental illness and being a "transphobe".
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > "She" is not a woman. Coraline Emkhe is a woman. > I hadn't looked at pictures, but that's clearly the case. Pictures might give you an idea of how stereotypical someone's gender presentation is for a particular gender, but they aren't dispositive evidence as to gender. In any case, and while I reject this as a valid basis for judgement in the strongest possible terms, I can't even find any post-transition pictures of Emkhe that have anything but a conventionally feminine outward gender presentation (on Google, there are a couple associated with her name that don't, but they are pictures of Chris Wanstranth and Eric S Raymond that are from articles about Emkhe.)
      - iliketocomplain 7y ago
        We're talking facts (biological ones in this case), you clearly aren't. Edit: missing parenthesis
      - big_chungus 7y ago
        > Coraline Emkhe is a woman. > Nuh-uh! Fixed that for you. Gotta offer something better. I'm not a fluffy pink unicorn, just 'cause I say I am. > gender presentation Why should "gender presentation" influence some one's biological sex? Or how said person dresses? Or surgeries undertaken? Or simple "belief"? You can believe what ever you want, but that shouldn't force me to change my behavior; e.g. a Moslem with a religious objection to eating pork can't force others not to do so. Or how I refer to that person? I'll call him "Coraline" because that's his legal name, but I'm not calling him a "she". If you're interested in seriously hashing this out, my email is in my profile. I don't want this to turn into a flame war. "Debate me in the ring, one-on-one!"
        dragonwriter 7y ago
        > Why should "gender presentation" influence some one's biological sex? No one has suggested it should. “Man” and “woman” are terms of ascribed gender, which until recently was usually ascribed based on assessment of genitalia at birth (“biological sex” is a different though related issue) and considered immutable, but is now, in most of the developed West (despite usually being still initially assessed by genitalia at birth) held as something which should be adjusted to align with gender identity. > but that shouldn't force me to change my behavio Obviously, no one (on HN) is forcing you to abandon the retrograde and transphobic behavior of misgendering individuals based on imposing your personal preference for how and on what basis they should be gendered over their gender identity. Calling it out, sure. Forcing you to change, no.
        big_chungus 7y ago
        >> Why should "gender presentation" influence some one's biological sex? > No one has suggested it should. Then how can you claim he should be referred to as a woman? > Man and woman are terms of ascribed gender They are innate. Why would that not be so? > something which should be adjusted to align with gender identity Why? Transsexuality is a mental illness, and ought to be treated as such. > retrograde and transphobic behavior Why are you classifying my actions as such?