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RMS was pointing out inaccuracies in how a deceased colleague who was being accused of a heinous crime might simply have slept with a prostitute, if at all (whi

RMS was pointing out inaccuracies in how a deceased colleague who was being accused of a heinous crime might simply have slept with a prostitute, if at all (which turns out probably wasn't the case). > This is a man who said something wildly inappropriate in an MIT forum and got fired. This is a man who said something mildly inappropriate in a forum, as is his wont. > He deserved it. A completely appropriate and reasonable verdict, no doubt. Doubts are for unreasonable people, of which one you are not. > I welcome anyone to provide a counter-argument. Somehow I doubt that.

colechristensen 7y ago
From the thread in question: >When this email chain inevitably finds its way into the press, the seeming insensitivity of some will reflect poorly on the entire CSAIL community. Regardless of intent, this thread reads as "grasping at straws to defend our friends" around potential involvement with Epstein, and that isn't a reputation I would like attached to my CSAIL affiliation. What do you think as an administrator if you see a comment like that about one of your prominent employees?
- chx 7y ago
  He resigned from the CSAIL too. https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September...
rrss 7y ago
> pointing out inaccuracies But, he wasn't? 1. "Minsky has been accused of assault" 2. RMS: "you shouldn't call it assault - might give people the wrong idea" 3. "It would have been literally rape in the relevant territory, 'assault' is a fine word for it" 4. RMS: "ok, even if it's legally rape, it shouldn't morally be considered rape, so don't call it assault if it was 'just' statutory rape." What inaccuracies did he point out? I see that he expressed his opinion that 'assault' is too strong a word for some cases of rape, but what inaccuracy was there in the original statement regarding the allegations about minsky?
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- balaksakrionon 7y ago
  Do you mind avoiding paraphrasing? It seems a lot of the confusion is stemming from the editorializing / paraphrasing done by the media outlets and throughout the ensuing discussions so it may be best to litigate the direct quotations to keep the discussion as fact based as possible
xwolfi 7y ago
Maybe Stallman should focus less on rape and sex, and more on writing software. We're still waiting for HURD... Seriously, what is it with all those people discussing in corporate and public function their stupid opinion of the moral definition of rape. Let justice speak, and you, speak privately. For someone lauded as a genius of some sort, he could have maybe understood what you can say where.

colechristensen 7y ago

From the thread in question: >When this email chain inevitably finds its way into the press, the seeming insensitivity of some will reflect poorly on the entire CSAIL community. Regardless of intent, this thread reads as "grasping at straws to defend our friends" around potential involvement with Epstein, and that isn't a reputation I would like attached to my CSAIL affiliation. What do you think as an administrator if you see a comment like that about one of your prominent employees?

chx 7y ago
He resigned from the CSAIL too. https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September...

rrss 7y ago

> pointing out inaccuracies But, he wasn't? 1. "Minsky has been accused of assault" 2. RMS: "you shouldn't call it assault - might give people the wrong idea" 3. "It would have been literally rape in the relevant territory, 'assault' is a fine word for it" 4. RMS: "ok, even if it's legally rape, it shouldn't morally be considered rape, so don't call it assault if it was 'just' statutory rape." What inaccuracies did he point out? I see that he expressed his opinion that 'assault' is too strong a word for some cases of rape, but what inaccuracy was there in the original statement regarding the allegations about minsky?

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balaksakrionon 7y ago
Do you mind avoiding paraphrasing? It seems a lot of the confusion is stemming from the editorializing / paraphrasing done by the media outlets and throughout the ensuing discussions so it may be best to litigate the direct quotations to keep the discussion as fact based as possible

xwolfi 7y ago

Maybe Stallman should focus less on rape and sex, and more on writing software. We're still waiting for HURD... Seriously, what is it with all those people discussing in corporate and public function their stupid opinion of the moral definition of rape. Let justice speak, and you, speak privately. For someone lauded as a genius of some sort, he could have maybe understood what you can say where.