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> RMS defending his friend was happening Although it looks like you really believe that's what happened, it is not what happened. And no amount of repetitions

> RMS defending his friend was happening Although it looks like you really believe that's what happened, it is not what happened. And no amount of repetitions can change the fact that he did not "defend his friend from rape accusations". > It doesn't matter if it didn't happen It kinda matters though... > That gets you fired. Even if it is entirely hypothetical. And that's absurd. We always arrive at the same conclusion. EDIT: can I ask you why all these comments look the same? it kinda looks like a pattern to me... https://imgur.com/a/Wm92IDQ https://imgur.com/a/Wm92IDQ

iaml 7y ago
You wrote 'it is not what happened' twice now, but don't offer another point of view on what did happen. That's not how argument works.
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  But id didn't. He just expresses on honest opinion on the matter. Like he always did all of his life. > That's not how argument works. To prove you wrong I don't have to prove an alternative scenario. You are wrong, that's enough.
  - iaml 7y ago
    Your definition of 'wrong' is certainly agreeable but not exactly relevant in this situation. Yes, technically RMS was just being nitpicky, but in the context it doesn't matter. The comment was inappropriate and any person in RMS's place has to understand that because of their high profile everything they say/do can and will be used against them. Those are the rules of the game (public relations), and if you don't play the game (like RMS), the game will play you.
    - lostjohnny 7y ago
      > Your definition of 'wrong' is certainly agreeable It's just what it is, he wasn't defending his friend, which, BTW, is not even accused of raping anybody. > The comment was inappropriate Like this is new for RMS... I never said he is not weird, I've said he never supported or praised or defended rapists. That's enough to prove who said it wrong. It's all in the transcripts, it's all there, word by word. > Those are the rules of the game (public relations), But he's not a PR. He has never been.
      - muh_gradle 7y ago
        > But he's not a PR. He has never been. Right, and this time he has finally paid the price. I admire RMS; he's a genius, and he's done a lot with FSF. But I'm tired of his jackassery. If he, in his high profile position, wants to make arguments nitpicking what is rape and what is the age of consent with what is obviously a sensitive subject, then sure. Just don't do a surprised Pikachu when people hate him and want him gone.
        lostjohnny 7y ago
        > Right, and this time he has finally paid the price For what? For stating the obvious? This time he didn't do anything wrong, other than pointing out what everybody in their right mind think: a dead person who cannot defend himself anymore was being falsely accused of child rape but the evidence just proved that he did no such thing and that, anyway, admitting there was sex involved, it wasn't pedophilia. > I'm tired of his jackassery. Who cares what you are tired of? I'm tired of this constant wining, just because you're alive it doesn't mean your feelings are _so_ important. But I don't want you to be fired because of it. > is the age of consent with what is obviously a sensitive subject so we should not talk about what you think is a sensitive subjects? It isn't for me, I live in Europe, age of consent in my country is 16. Are you so self entitled? Who do you think you are? > Just don't do a surprised Pikachu when people hate him and want him gone. People are stupid. I don't care what people think.
        muh_gradle 7y ago
        > This time he didn't do anything wrong, other than pointing out what everybody in their right mind think: a dead person who cannot defend himself anymore was being falsely accused of child rape but the evidence just proved that he did no such thing and that, anyway, admitting there was sex involved, it wasn't pedophilia. Nothing has been proven. It hasn't even entered a court of law yet. Yet here you are willing to accept any and all internet rumors. Aren't you a smart individual. > But I don't want you to be fired because of it. I absolutely would lose my job if I was holding a high leadership, PR position at my company for making idiotic statements. You would too. > I don't care what people think. There you go. No one cares about your sentiment. Literally I don't care about what it is you have to say at all. Why should anyone care about what YOU, some no-name internet user has to say. The fact of the matter is that people care about what high profile individuals think whether you agree with this or not (once again no one cares about your silly opinions). And someone spoke with their foot in their mouth. Is it technically wrong to state that more people die from medical errors than mass shootings as Neil Degrasse Tyson so eloquently put it? No it's not wrong. You and RMS are so insistent on being right that you can't even understand what context means. You guys are the type of people to get mad at the world and can't understand why you're hated by everyone. So by all means live this way. But no one else does. And don't whine because you're not liked. And just for the record, > But he's not a PR. He has never been. is actually completely wrong. RMS by his own account hasn't written actual code in decades now. What does he actually do with his time on FSF besides go around and do talks? Nothing. What is that? Oh wait... it's literally PR for FSF's values. He does do some things now that I think about it. He writes his silly opinions on CSAIL mailing lists when many thought he wasn't even a part of CSAIL anymore. So he had that going for him as well.
colechristensen 7y ago
It doesn't matter if Minsky did it or not. It does matter that RMS, in a hypothetical defended the supposed actions in the way that he did. And yes, I repeated myself many times to several people saying similar things with the intention of facing all of the threads with a similar challenge. So what?
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  > It does matter that RMS, in a hypothetical defended the supposed actions in the way that he did. Like... he wrote about it? Many others did, nobody lost the job. It must be horryfying to read someone else's opinion in 2019 America... You're talking like Stallman is some kind of new Ted Bundy... > And yes, I repeated myself many times to several people saying similar things with the intention of facing all of the threads with a similar challenge. So what? are you sure you're not simply obsessed with it?
  - xwolfi 7y ago
    The irony is to see the SJW movement spiraling out of control. I was reading an article of Stallman's on how to name a non-gendered individual where he proposes all kind of fake pronouns and goes on and on as if it was a new fusion reactor technology he was working on. He's not Chomsky I tell you that. The thing with him is that people were just so frigging fed up and didn't know what to find to get rid of his ass. One day, he decided to write about the moral definition of rape, the next day he was out :D No need to be a Stallman-level genius to see what happened, he could finally be fired without all the frigging free software extremists yelling censorship... Stallman is now the SJW devil incarnate ahah
    - lostjohnny 7y ago
      The irony is that without Stallman the SJW are just the blackshirts of fascist memory. And I'm Italian, my grandfather was a partisan, I know what I'm talking about. BTW, I am yelling, because what he said is perfectly reasonable, given the context.

iaml 7y ago

You wrote 'it is not what happened' twice now, but don't offer another point of view on what did happen. That's not how argument works.

lostjohnny 7y ago
But id didn't. He just expresses on honest opinion on the matter. Like he always did all of his life. > That's not how argument works. To prove you wrong I don't have to prove an alternative scenario. You are wrong, that's enough.
- iaml 7y ago
  Your definition of 'wrong' is certainly agreeable but not exactly relevant in this situation. Yes, technically RMS was just being nitpicky, but in the context it doesn't matter. The comment was inappropriate and any person in RMS's place has to understand that because of their high profile everything they say/do can and will be used against them. Those are the rules of the game (public relations), and if you don't play the game (like RMS), the game will play you.
  - lostjohnny 7y ago
    > Your definition of 'wrong' is certainly agreeable It's just what it is, he wasn't defending his friend, which, BTW, is not even accused of raping anybody. > The comment was inappropriate Like this is new for RMS... I never said he is not weird, I've said he never supported or praised or defended rapists. That's enough to prove who said it wrong. It's all in the transcripts, it's all there, word by word. > Those are the rules of the game (public relations), But he's not a PR. He has never been.
    - muh_gradle 7y ago
      > But he's not a PR. He has never been. Right, and this time he has finally paid the price. I admire RMS; he's a genius, and he's done a lot with FSF. But I'm tired of his jackassery. If he, in his high profile position, wants to make arguments nitpicking what is rape and what is the age of consent with what is obviously a sensitive subject, then sure. Just don't do a surprised Pikachu when people hate him and want him gone.
      - lostjohnny 7y ago
        > Right, and this time he has finally paid the price For what? For stating the obvious? This time he didn't do anything wrong, other than pointing out what everybody in their right mind think: a dead person who cannot defend himself anymore was being falsely accused of child rape but the evidence just proved that he did no such thing and that, anyway, admitting there was sex involved, it wasn't pedophilia. > I'm tired of his jackassery. Who cares what you are tired of? I'm tired of this constant wining, just because you're alive it doesn't mean your feelings are _so_ important. But I don't want you to be fired because of it. > is the age of consent with what is obviously a sensitive subject so we should not talk about what you think is a sensitive subjects? It isn't for me, I live in Europe, age of consent in my country is 16. Are you so self entitled? Who do you think you are? > Just don't do a surprised Pikachu when people hate him and want him gone. People are stupid. I don't care what people think.
        muh_gradle 7y ago
        > This time he didn't do anything wrong, other than pointing out what everybody in their right mind think: a dead person who cannot defend himself anymore was being falsely accused of child rape but the evidence just proved that he did no such thing and that, anyway, admitting there was sex involved, it wasn't pedophilia. Nothing has been proven. It hasn't even entered a court of law yet. Yet here you are willing to accept any and all internet rumors. Aren't you a smart individual. > But I don't want you to be fired because of it. I absolutely would lose my job if I was holding a high leadership, PR position at my company for making idiotic statements. You would too. > I don't care what people think. There you go. No one cares about your sentiment. Literally I don't care about what it is you have to say at all. Why should anyone care about what YOU, some no-name internet user has to say. The fact of the matter is that people care about what high profile individuals think whether you agree with this or not (once again no one cares about your silly opinions). And someone spoke with their foot in their mouth. Is it technically wrong to state that more people die from medical errors than mass shootings as Neil Degrasse Tyson so eloquently put it? No it's not wrong. You and RMS are so insistent on being right that you can't even understand what context means. You guys are the type of people to get mad at the world and can't understand why you're hated by everyone. So by all means live this way. But no one else does. And don't whine because you're not liked. And just for the record, > But he's not a PR. He has never been. is actually completely wrong. RMS by his own account hasn't written actual code in decades now. What does he actually do with his time on FSF besides go around and do talks? Nothing. What is that? Oh wait... it's literally PR for FSF's values. He does do some things now that I think about it. He writes his silly opinions on CSAIL mailing lists when many thought he wasn't even a part of CSAIL anymore. So he had that going for him as well.

colechristensen 7y ago

It doesn't matter if Minsky did it or not. It does matter that RMS, in a hypothetical defended the supposed actions in the way that he did. And yes, I repeated myself many times to several people saying similar things with the intention of facing all of the threads with a similar challenge. So what?

lostjohnny 7y ago
> It does matter that RMS, in a hypothetical defended the supposed actions in the way that he did. Like... he wrote about it? Many others did, nobody lost the job. It must be horryfying to read someone else's opinion in 2019 America... You're talking like Stallman is some kind of new Ted Bundy... > And yes, I repeated myself many times to several people saying similar things with the intention of facing all of the threads with a similar challenge. So what? are you sure you're not simply obsessed with it?
- xwolfi 7y ago
  The irony is to see the SJW movement spiraling out of control. I was reading an article of Stallman's on how to name a non-gendered individual where he proposes all kind of fake pronouns and goes on and on as if it was a new fusion reactor technology he was working on. He's not Chomsky I tell you that. The thing with him is that people were just so frigging fed up and didn't know what to find to get rid of his ass. One day, he decided to write about the moral definition of rape, the next day he was out :D No need to be a Stallman-level genius to see what happened, he could finally be fired without all the frigging free software extremists yelling censorship... Stallman is now the SJW devil incarnate ahah
  - lostjohnny 7y ago
    The irony is that without Stallman the SJW are just the blackshirts of fascist memory. And I'm Italian, my grandfather was a partisan, I know what I'm talking about. BTW, I am yelling, because what he said is perfectly reasonable, given the context.