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Anyone who has actually read the email thread and considers it a defence of sexual assault, the topic of the thread, is as intellectually bankrupt as the media

by Guthur 7y ago

Anyone who has actually read the email thread and considers it a defence of sexual assault, the topic of the thread, is as intellectually bankrupt as the media witch hunts rms was warning about and fell victim to. We should be all concerned that media witch hunts like this can in act such results. It is abhorrent that any discussion that triggers a progressive dominated media can destroy people's lives.

colechristensen 7y ago
I read it. There was some irrelevant quibbling about how accusations are worded. Then there was the speculation that the seventeen year old girl who is accusing his 73 year old friend of a sex crime would have appeared willing in the exchange with the implication that this apparent willingness made the situation not Minsky's fault. Doesn't matter if it didn't happen, defending statutory rape like that is really inappropriate, and with a ~60 year ago gap it doesn't really matter about the details. It was a very creepy situation and indefensible. Stallman was defending it, it wasn't just some intellectual problem with the wording of accusations. Not a witch hunt, not a victimization of an innocent intellectually curious man, it was a measured and reasonable response to a very inappropriate conversation.
- dropit_sphere 7y ago
  >, defending statutory rape like that is really inappropriate See, the thing about statutory rape is that it is illegal, and sexual assault is also illegal, but (surprisingly!) that does not mean that they are the same thing. (It is left as an exercise for the reader to see if this applies to other pairings like, say, "public drunkenness" and "murder in the first degree.") Stallman was not "defending statutory rape": he was saying, "Words mean things, and the words "sexual assault" suggest an image of 75-yr-old Marvin holding girls down and raping them, and that it is unlikely that that, you know, actually happened." >It was a very creepy situation and indefensible. Oooh, so creepy! Too creepy to think about, even! Nazis were pretty creepy: let's accuse them of violating the CFAA, before there were computers! Anyone defending them against this is defending Nazis, and worse, creepy Nazis! They are likely creepy as well! This creepy stuff seems to be contagious... Since it can't be made too visible, Stallman's actual comments: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6405929-09132019142056-0001.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6405929-091320191420...
- balaksakrionon 7y ago
  One would have to be obtuse at best, malicious at worst to characterize Stallman's comments in the leaked mailing list thread as 'defending statutory rape' in any way.
jarek-foksa 7y ago
Social media mobs are not the the root problem that we should be concerned with. They are just a byproduct of a bigger issue which is control of the major media outlets by big corporations. It is in their best interest to polarize the society, ideally along some bullshit problem or identity (e.g. men vs women, old vs young, white vs non-white). This way people can release their anger and waste their time on pointless discussions (while consuming ads) instead of realizing the system is rigged and they are actually being screwed by the wealthy oligarchs.

by Guthur 7y ago

colechristensen 7y ago

I read it. There was some irrelevant quibbling about how accusations are worded. Then there was the speculation that the seventeen year old girl who is accusing his 73 year old friend of a sex crime would have appeared willing in the exchange with the implication that this apparent willingness made the situation not Minsky's fault. Doesn't matter if it didn't happen, defending statutory rape like that is really inappropriate, and with a ~60 year ago gap it doesn't really matter about the details. It was a very creepy situation and indefensible. Stallman was defending it, it wasn't just some intellectual problem with the wording of accusations. Not a witch hunt, not a victimization of an innocent intellectually curious man, it was a measured and reasonable response to a very inappropriate conversation.

dropit_sphere 7y ago
>, defending statutory rape like that is really inappropriate See, the thing about statutory rape is that it is illegal, and sexual assault is also illegal, but (surprisingly!) that does not mean that they are the same thing. (It is left as an exercise for the reader to see if this applies to other pairings like, say, "public drunkenness" and "murder in the first degree.") Stallman was not "defending statutory rape": he was saying, "Words mean things, and the words "sexual assault" suggest an image of 75-yr-old Marvin holding girls down and raping them, and that it is unlikely that that, you know, actually happened." >It was a very creepy situation and indefensible. Oooh, so creepy! Too creepy to think about, even! Nazis were pretty creepy: let's accuse them of violating the CFAA, before there were computers! Anyone defending them against this is defending Nazis, and worse, creepy Nazis! They are likely creepy as well! This creepy stuff seems to be contagious... Since it can't be made too visible, Stallman's actual comments: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6405929-09132019142056-0001.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6405929-091320191420...
balaksakrionon 7y ago
One would have to be obtuse at best, malicious at worst to characterize Stallman's comments in the leaked mailing list thread as 'defending statutory rape' in any way.

jarek-foksa 7y ago

Social media mobs are not the the root problem that we should be concerned with. They are just a byproduct of a bigger issue which is control of the major media outlets by big corporations. It is in their best interest to polarize the society, ideally along some bullshit problem or identity (e.g. men vs women, old vs young, white vs non-white). This way people can release their anger and waste their time on pointless discussions (while consuming ads) instead of realizing the system is rigged and they are actually being screwed by the wealthy oligarchs.