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> Any action taken by an individual or organization with the intent of influencing another individual to execute a commercial transaction. That definition pret

> Any action taken by an individual or organization with the intent of influencing another individual to execute a commercial transaction. That definition pretty much boils down to every interaction between businesses and individuals, ever. Any kind of negotiating or sales or communication..

AndrewKemendo 7y ago
Correct. Like I said, it's pervasive to the extent that we just assume it's the only way it could be, but it's behind every terrible thing. I know this first hand, I built these systems. The end state is to know and predict everything you do, and then sell you something about it. Whether its a product or an experience or a feeling. That's where it all leads - you lose your agency. Getting rid of online marketing or nudging it one direction or the other won't really change it. You can ban it online outright, but it will persist in another form. Our entire world economy is based on different groups vying for your attention to monetize, to the point that as we go further, nothing is not monetizable. It's the Truman show, but everyone is Truman.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  I've worked with small businesses - the small one to thirty person plummer or photographer or decorator type. What you're asking for is fundamentally impossible. Business and entrepreneurship is a human process where two entities find a transaction that benefits them both. Of course this breaks down when shady actors manipulate in bad faith, but that's the price of freedom. To put a ban into place as extensive as you're suggesting would be to regulate speech as far as I'm concerned.
  - AndrewKemendo 7y ago
    You're just reinforcing the point that we're in too deep for it to be a comfortable transition.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      Not really. I understand your complaint, but what you're saying would kill entrepreneurship. How else can companies compete if they're not even allowed to go 'hey, I think we've got a better solution at a lower price'.

AndrewKemendo 7y ago

Correct. Like I said, it's pervasive to the extent that we just assume it's the only way it could be, but it's behind every terrible thing. I know this first hand, I built these systems. The end state is to know and predict everything you do, and then sell you something about it. Whether its a product or an experience or a feeling. That's where it all leads - you lose your agency. Getting rid of online marketing or nudging it one direction or the other won't really change it. You can ban it online outright, but it will persist in another form. Our entire world economy is based on different groups vying for your attention to monetize, to the point that as we go further, nothing is not monetizable. It's the Truman show, but everyone is Truman.

cameronbrown 7y ago
I've worked with small businesses - the small one to thirty person plummer or photographer or decorator type. What you're asking for is fundamentally impossible. Business and entrepreneurship is a human process where two entities find a transaction that benefits them both. Of course this breaks down when shady actors manipulate in bad faith, but that's the price of freedom. To put a ban into place as extensive as you're suggesting would be to regulate speech as far as I'm concerned.
- AndrewKemendo 7y ago
  You're just reinforcing the point that we're in too deep for it to be a comfortable transition.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    Not really. I understand your complaint, but what you're saying would kill entrepreneurship. How else can companies compete if they're not even allowed to go 'hey, I think we've got a better solution at a lower price'.