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Do you believe Thomas Drake’s prosecution was fair and proportional to the ‘crimes’ he committed?

dragontamer 7y ago
When did I ever make a claim about prosecutors? I said the JURY decides. And in the Thomas Drake case, the prosecutors were so scared of the jury that they dropped all charges. As I said before: the jury decides ultimately. Prosecutors do not decide. Judges do not decide. Study up on the Thomas Drake case, the JURY is the weapon of choice which fights corruption. Specifically: the petite jury (aka: trial jury). Grand Jury is a bit more controversial, but its probably better than nothing at all.
- travmatt 7y ago
  Except for the fact that most criminal prosecutions in America are settled through plea bargaining, not trial - isn’t that correct? So to be accurate, the prosecutors decide most of the ‘justice’ in America - judges and juries play no part in plea agreements. Thomas Drake was able to escape the prosecutors also playing judge because he was able to afford representation, and his funds outlasted the pressure the prosecution was able to bring against him. According to your argument, his great victory was only trading his life’s earning for his freedom, instead of forfeiting both for attempting to be an ethical man. It’s pretty obvious that any prosecution of Snowden would aim to forfeit both his freedom and life earning’s, irregardless of the crimes they actually believe he committed.
  - dragontamer 7y ago
    > Except for the fact that most criminal prosecutions in America are settled through plea bargaining I dunno why you're talking about "most criminal prosecutions" now, after you brought up the specific case of Thomas Drake (of which almost all charges were dropped). You can only move the goalposts so far before it gets annoying (especially since the parent post is talking about full on conspiracy-level "secret courts"). In any case, the plea bargain is 100% based on what the defense and the prosecution believe that a Jury would rule. It all comes down to the jury at the end. If neither side can agree on the plea bargain terms, then it comes down to the jury. > Thomas Drake was able to escape the prosecutors also playing judge because he was able to afford representation, and his funds outlasted the pressure the prosecution was able to bring against him. Do you think Edward Snowden won't have funds to afford representation? Or that the ACLU will fail to raise funds for this highly anticipated case?
ncmncm 7y ago
IIRC, Kiriakou was charged with possession of classified material that was classified only after they found out he had it.

When did I ever make a claim about prosecutors? I said the JURY decides. And in the Thomas Drake case, the prosecutors were so scared of the jury that they dropped all charges. As I said before: the jury decides ultimately. Prosecutors do not decide. Judges do not decide. Study up on the Thomas Drake case, the JURY is the weapon of choice which fights corruption. Specifically: the petite jury (aka: trial jury). Grand Jury is a bit more controversial, but its probably better than nothing at all.

travmatt 7y ago
Except for the fact that most criminal prosecutions in America are settled through plea bargaining, not trial - isn’t that correct? So to be accurate, the prosecutors decide most of the ‘justice’ in America - judges and juries play no part in plea agreements. Thomas Drake was able to escape the prosecutors also playing judge because he was able to afford representation, and his funds outlasted the pressure the prosecution was able to bring against him. According to your argument, his great victory was only trading his life’s earning for his freedom, instead of forfeiting both for attempting to be an ethical man. It’s pretty obvious that any prosecution of Snowden would aim to forfeit both his freedom and life earning’s, irregardless of the crimes they actually believe he committed.
- dragontamer 7y ago
  > Except for the fact that most criminal prosecutions in America are settled through plea bargaining I dunno why you're talking about "most criminal prosecutions" now, after you brought up the specific case of Thomas Drake (of which almost all charges were dropped). You can only move the goalposts so far before it gets annoying (especially since the parent post is talking about full on conspiracy-level "secret courts"). In any case, the plea bargain is 100% based on what the defense and the prosecution believe that a Jury would rule. It all comes down to the jury at the end. If neither side can agree on the plea bargain terms, then it comes down to the jury. > Thomas Drake was able to escape the prosecutors also playing judge because he was able to afford representation, and his funds outlasted the pressure the prosecution was able to bring against him. Do you think Edward Snowden won't have funds to afford representation? Or that the ACLU will fail to raise funds for this highly anticipated case?

ncmncm 7y ago

IIRC, Kiriakou was charged with possession of classified material that was classified only after they found out he had it.