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Good post until the last sentence! NBN history is far more interesting than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network https://en.wikipedi

Good post until the last sentence! NBN history is far more interesting than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network

crispinb 7y ago
It was a bit of snark not to be taken too seriously, though with regard to the trogs' fear of technology, it has more than a grain of truth ;)
- aaron695 7y ago
  Stephen Conroy (on the left) was frequently called a Luddite by tech magazines. A leading IT forum even had an short lived happy April Fools he had been fired. https://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1841&show=replies https://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1841&show=replies I'd do more research if you want to know more.
- sjwright 7y ago
  To the person with the "dead" reply musing about Stephen Conroy being a luddite—I wrote that April fools parody article. Yes, Conroy started off as an embarrassing luddite __BUT__ unlike the luddites that came before him, he improved. He learned. He grew. He surrounded himself with smart, experienced and informed people, and he learned from them. By the time he departed that role he had morphed into perhaps the best communications ministers in recent Australian history. --------- Whereas you can watch the moment of television where all respect I had for Malcolm Turnbull crashed into the floor (fast forward to the 17 minute mark and watch for about one minute): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-12/nbn-debate/4882232 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-12/nbn-debate/4882232 "Anthony said that fibre to the premises can deliver one gigabit per second, 1000 megs, and you're quite right, it can. Do you know what it would cost to have a guaranteed one gig' service? At least $20,000 a month." So basically Turnbull used a deceptive truth (the cost of a high speed service with dedicated guaranteed backhaul) to blatantly and intentionally lie about the cost of gigabit services that would be sold to 99.9% of NBN-connected customers. The fact that he knew enough to concoct this deception made me realise that he wasn't just as bad as the rest of them, he's worse. He used his knowledge and intelligence to cleverly and carefully craft a statement that's blatantly false yet defensible as technically true if he were caught out. Nobody is that clever by accident.
zizee 7y ago
Agreed. As per the HN guidelines: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle HN is a great place for considered discussion. Let's keep it that way.
- crispinb 7y ago
  Fair point.
- baroffoos 7y ago
  To be fair, it's a true statement. The NBN is shithouse and compared to what was promised originally, it could be considered fake.
  - zizee 7y ago
    This is the part that is questionable: > our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more recent than coal & witch burning.
    - manicdee 7y ago
      Let sleeping dogs lie, is my advice here.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        Yes, let's do that please. The tone wasn't right for HN.
    - baroffoos 7y ago
      If you live in Australia you would probably agree that thats not far from the truth either.
      - rbp 7y ago
        I live in Australia and most people I know would disagree with that statement. Depends on your social circles.
paranoidrobot 7y ago
I have to say that it's interesting in the way that watching something be destroyed is interesting. Being stuck inside it is not interesting, it's horrifying and depressing. I moved into an apartment that was built with NBN Fibre to every apartment. I moved here and paid a premium for it because I wanted to get a head-start on the FTTH rollout we were promised. Instead of the promised ability to move just about anywhere and get the same connection quality and bandwidth options, we now have a roulette wheel where most of the options are mediocre at best. Worse still, we paid even more for this bungled mix of copper based tech than the original FTTH rollout.
- fertibm 7y ago
  Fiber would never be available in every home, it would have always been limited to new estates and inner city areas, which funnily enough is no change over how things were before the nbn. Before the nbn, new estates were supplied with private fiber. Now they get nbn, which will be sold in the future and be private again.... all that changed was billions of dollars were stolen by the political class.
  - rosege 7y ago
    Fibre was going to be rolled out to 93% of the population - so very remote people would have been on satellie but that would have been it.
    - fertimb_ 7y ago
      No, that was their made up promise to fool people who couldn't research the logistics themselves, that is not what was going to happen. Name another country in the entire world where this has happened with similar population density. You can't, because no such country exists. If that actually happened, and it was completed today, Australia would have the world's fastest internet, ahead of all of the countries with extremely dense population such as Taiwan. Such an idea is absurd, but people on the left will never admit it and just claim that is was obviously going to happen.

Good post until the last sentence! NBN history is far more interesting than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network

crispinb 7y ago

It was a bit of snark not to be taken too seriously, though with regard to the trogs' fear of technology, it has more than a grain of truth ;)

aaron695 7y ago
Stephen Conroy (on the left) was frequently called a Luddite by tech magazines. A leading IT forum even had an short lived happy April Fools he had been fired. https://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1841&show=replies https://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1841&show=replies I'd do more research if you want to know more.
sjwright 7y ago
To the person with the "dead" reply musing about Stephen Conroy being a luddite—I wrote that April fools parody article. Yes, Conroy started off as an embarrassing luddite __BUT__ unlike the luddites that came before him, he improved. He learned. He grew. He surrounded himself with smart, experienced and informed people, and he learned from them. By the time he departed that role he had morphed into perhaps the best communications ministers in recent Australian history. --------- Whereas you can watch the moment of television where all respect I had for Malcolm Turnbull crashed into the floor (fast forward to the 17 minute mark and watch for about one minute): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-12/nbn-debate/4882232 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-12/nbn-debate/4882232 "Anthony said that fibre to the premises can deliver one gigabit per second, 1000 megs, and you're quite right, it can. Do you know what it would cost to have a guaranteed one gig' service? At least $20,000 a month." So basically Turnbull used a deceptive truth (the cost of a high speed service with dedicated guaranteed backhaul) to blatantly and intentionally lie about the cost of gigabit services that would be sold to 99.9% of NBN-connected customers. The fact that he knew enough to concoct this deception made me realise that he wasn't just as bad as the rest of them, he's worse. He used his knowledge and intelligence to cleverly and carefully craft a statement that's blatantly false yet defensible as technically true if he were caught out. Nobody is that clever by accident.

zizee 7y ago

Agreed. As per the HN guidelines: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle HN is a great place for considered discussion. Let's keep it that way.

crispinb 7y ago
Fair point.
baroffoos 7y ago
To be fair, it's a true statement. The NBN is shithouse and compared to what was promised originally, it could be considered fake.
- zizee 7y ago
  This is the part that is questionable: > our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more recent than coal & witch burning.
  - manicdee 7y ago
    Let sleeping dogs lie, is my advice here.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      Yes, let's do that please. The tone wasn't right for HN.
  - baroffoos 7y ago
    If you live in Australia you would probably agree that thats not far from the truth either.
    - rbp 7y ago
      I live in Australia and most people I know would disagree with that statement. Depends on your social circles.

paranoidrobot 7y ago

I have to say that it's interesting in the way that watching something be destroyed is interesting. Being stuck inside it is not interesting, it's horrifying and depressing. I moved into an apartment that was built with NBN Fibre to every apartment. I moved here and paid a premium for it because I wanted to get a head-start on the FTTH rollout we were promised. Instead of the promised ability to move just about anywhere and get the same connection quality and bandwidth options, we now have a roulette wheel where most of the options are mediocre at best. Worse still, we paid even more for this bungled mix of copper based tech than the original FTTH rollout.

fertibm 7y ago
Fiber would never be available in every home, it would have always been limited to new estates and inner city areas, which funnily enough is no change over how things were before the nbn. Before the nbn, new estates were supplied with private fiber. Now they get nbn, which will be sold in the future and be private again.... all that changed was billions of dollars were stolen by the political class.
- rosege 7y ago
  Fibre was going to be rolled out to 93% of the population - so very remote people would have been on satellie but that would have been it.
  - fertimb_ 7y ago
    No, that was their made up promise to fool people who couldn't research the logistics themselves, that is not what was going to happen. Name another country in the entire world where this has happened with similar population density. You can't, because no such country exists. If that actually happened, and it was completed today, Australia would have the world's fastest internet, ahead of all of the countries with extremely dense population such as Taiwan. Such an idea is absurd, but people on the left will never admit it and just claim that is was obviously going to happen.