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>> I really don't think you are Apple's target audience. I am a creative professional - which, historically, was a very important part of Apple’s user base; an

>> I really don't think you are Apple's target audience. I am a creative professional - which, historically, was a very important part of Apple’s user base; and the reason I still use their products. The ecosystem and workflow of using an iPhone or iPad to write a simple musical idea in GarageBand on the subway, and then finding it already on my iCloud on my MacBook Pro at home, so I can open it up in Logic and refine it, is unparalleled. Anecdotally, I’ve never had anyone whom I’ve met, dev, creative, or casual user, who enjoys or uses the Touch Bar. It’s not even just the touch bar. The keyboard, the soldered RAM and SSD which prevent upgrades, the lack of ports, when I spend more for a MacBook now, I’m getting far less than I did in my many years of purchasing them. Furthermore, I could pull up a heap of references for this, but it’s a much more serious case with the SE form factor than even Apple’s current garbage laptop offerings. There are practically a lot of people with smaller hands - they would be happy to give Apple their money but have nothing to give it for.

chrisan 7y ago
Just for record, I don't know any non-creative/developer who own macs. Anyone else does not like the touchbar. The same subsets care about headphone jacks or not. I'm 6'1" and think I have decent sized hands, I'd still prefer the 4S size if I could get it All that said, historically sure, but creative and/or professionals are not the target of a mainstream phone meant to sell millions of phones. I've given up dreaming and just deal with it as I still prefer iOS to Android
- stevewodil 7y ago
  Go to any college. Most people there buy Macs for simple note taking.
stevewodil 7y ago
I'm a dev and like the touch bar. Ask me anything
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
  1) Would you like a physical function bar as well? 2) Do you use anything to customize the Touchbar to your liking? (I haven't used OS X in quite a while, and haven't heard of anything) 3) How's the rest of your keyboard doing? Do you like it?
  - daseiner1 7y ago
    1. Personally, no. 2. I love BetterTouchTool – I use it at work and at home. Ambivalent towards the touch bar without it, LOVE the touch bar with it. 3. My mid-'16 personal Macbook has the "stuttering keyboard" issue – extra characters typed if not careful. I haven't been doing much side-work lately so I can ignore it, but it's a real pain in the ass for sure. Haven't had that issue on my 2018 work Macbook (yet).
  - kristofferR 7y ago
    2. The touchbar is very customizeable. GoldenChaos-BTT is the best one: https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-the-complete-touch-bar-ui-replacement/1281 https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-the-complete...
  - brailsafe 7y ago
    I also like the TouchBar and use BetterTouchTool a bit. But the limitation that annoys me is that I can't simultaneously customize it and display app specific context buttons. As in one section customized if a spotify thing is playing, but otherwise make the space available for overriding.
    - daseiner1 7y ago
      Have you investigated the option in BTT on a button to always display regardless of context?
      - brailsafe 7y ago
        Right now I have a spotify song display alongside default apple controls. But afaik there isn't the ability to allocate a bit of the touchbar to BTT, Apple default controls, and app specific context controls. BTT takes over most of the bar, but then I lose the ability to easily use pycharm debugging controls for example.
cgrealy 7y ago
>> I am a creative professional - which, historically, was a very important part of Apple’s user base; and the reason I still use their products. The keyword there is historically. It's pretty clear that Apple has shifted its market focus away from the creative space. It's made some efforts to win them back with the latest Mac Pro, but they are a minority. This isn't even a criticism of Apple (clearly that decision is making money for them), it's just the reality of the situation.
- lostgame 7y ago
  Well, it sure feels shitty to support a company for years, who has supported you in your industry for years, who suddenly just says ‘we couldn’t give less of a shit about you anymore.’

chrisan 7y ago

Just for record, I don't know any non-creative/developer who own macs. Anyone else does not like the touchbar. The same subsets care about headphone jacks or not. I'm 6'1" and think I have decent sized hands, I'd still prefer the 4S size if I could get it All that said, historically sure, but creative and/or professionals are not the target of a mainstream phone meant to sell millions of phones. I've given up dreaming and just deal with it as I still prefer iOS to Android

stevewodil 7y ago
Go to any college. Most people there buy Macs for simple note taking.

stevewodil 7y ago

I'm a dev and like the touch bar. Ask me anything

HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
1) Would you like a physical function bar as well? 2) Do you use anything to customize the Touchbar to your liking? (I haven't used OS X in quite a while, and haven't heard of anything) 3) How's the rest of your keyboard doing? Do you like it?
- daseiner1 7y ago
  1. Personally, no. 2. I love BetterTouchTool – I use it at work and at home. Ambivalent towards the touch bar without it, LOVE the touch bar with it. 3. My mid-'16 personal Macbook has the "stuttering keyboard" issue – extra characters typed if not careful. I haven't been doing much side-work lately so I can ignore it, but it's a real pain in the ass for sure. Haven't had that issue on my 2018 work Macbook (yet).
- kristofferR 7y ago
  2. The touchbar is very customizeable. GoldenChaos-BTT is the best one: https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-the-complete-touch-bar-ui-replacement/1281 https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-the-complete...
- brailsafe 7y ago
  I also like the TouchBar and use BetterTouchTool a bit. But the limitation that annoys me is that I can't simultaneously customize it and display app specific context buttons. As in one section customized if a spotify thing is playing, but otherwise make the space available for overriding.
  - daseiner1 7y ago
    Have you investigated the option in BTT on a button to always display regardless of context?
    - brailsafe 7y ago
      Right now I have a spotify song display alongside default apple controls. But afaik there isn't the ability to allocate a bit of the touchbar to BTT, Apple default controls, and app specific context controls. BTT takes over most of the bar, but then I lose the ability to easily use pycharm debugging controls for example.

cgrealy 7y ago

>> I am a creative professional - which, historically, was a very important part of Apple’s user base; and the reason I still use their products. The keyword there is historically. It's pretty clear that Apple has shifted its market focus away from the creative space. It's made some efforts to win them back with the latest Mac Pro, but they are a minority. This isn't even a criticism of Apple (clearly that decision is making money for them), it's just the reality of the situation.

lostgame 7y ago
Well, it sure feels shitty to support a company for years, who has supported you in your industry for years, who suddenly just says ‘we couldn’t give less of a shit about you anymore.’