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The true barbarism is caring so little about the welfare of your fellow human that you'll deprive them of money they deserve as some kind of broad societal puni

by untog 7y ago

The true barbarism is caring so little about the welfare of your fellow human that you'll deprive them of money they deserve as some kind of broad societal punishment. Pass laws that make sure customer service workers are paid a fair wage. Then you can stop tipping.

pkaye 7y ago
Thought what I've heard is some prefer the tipping because they get better pay than any fair wage would ever give them.
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  Also they almost never declare tips for tax purposes
ilikehurdles 7y ago
Tipping at counter service should never be expected and you should not feel pressured to tip there. What world do you live in where counter service tips are required? I get that the restaurant service industry in the US largely relies on this institutionalized panhandling for reasonable pay, but expanding tipping culture beyond that realm is something we could actively prevent, which is a much easier path to success than allowing the cancer to spread and then working to undo it later.
- boring_twenties 7y ago
  Most counter serve places I have been to in the last year or two. The checkout is done through a touch screen tablet which includes a tip screen before checkout can be completed. The options are usually absurd, too. For example, three large buttons labeled "20%," "25%" and "30%." Then a medium sized-button labeled "No Tip" and a barely readable one that says "custom amount."
smileysteve 7y ago
> The true barbarism is caring so little about the welfare of your fellow human that you'll deprive them of money they deserve as some kind of broad societal punishment. Ironically, tipping counter service at creates an additional caste rather than decreasing inequality. To steal a concept from Reservoir Dogs; You can't tip at McDonalds, Chick-Fil-A, Burger King Wendy's (by company policy), but yet we've proceeded to create competitors where it is societally expected to tip. What's likely the case is the niche food counter doesn't hire the minority single mother/father but passes them up for the urban hipster with personality; based on "culture" -- and at best case, a reason an employee would choose the niche counter over McDonalds is because they can already afford the risk. Sadly, it's also more likely the niche counter is small, skirting employment law w/ illegal servers wages for their cashiers compared to McDonalds who is going to have a full range of benefits.
boring_twenties 7y ago
Even thieves and murderers understand this, https://youtu.be/V4sbYy0WdGQ https://youtu.be/V4sbYy0WdGQ :)

by untog 7y ago

pkaye 7y ago

Thought what I've heard is some prefer the tipping because they get better pay than any fair wage would ever give them.

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
Also they almost never declare tips for tax purposes

ilikehurdles 7y ago

Tipping at counter service should never be expected and you should not feel pressured to tip there. What world do you live in where counter service tips are required? I get that the restaurant service industry in the US largely relies on this institutionalized panhandling for reasonable pay, but expanding tipping culture beyond that realm is something we could actively prevent, which is a much easier path to success than allowing the cancer to spread and then working to undo it later.

boring_twenties 7y ago
Most counter serve places I have been to in the last year or two. The checkout is done through a touch screen tablet which includes a tip screen before checkout can be completed. The options are usually absurd, too. For example, three large buttons labeled "20%," "25%" and "30%." Then a medium sized-button labeled "No Tip" and a barely readable one that says "custom amount."

smileysteve 7y ago

> The true barbarism is caring so little about the welfare of your fellow human that you'll deprive them of money they deserve as some kind of broad societal punishment. Ironically, tipping counter service at creates an additional caste rather than decreasing inequality. To steal a concept from Reservoir Dogs; You can't tip at McDonalds, Chick-Fil-A, Burger King Wendy's (by company policy), but yet we've proceeded to create competitors where it is societally expected to tip. What's likely the case is the niche food counter doesn't hire the minority single mother/father but passes them up for the urban hipster with personality; based on "culture" -- and at best case, a reason an employee would choose the niche counter over McDonalds is because they can already afford the risk. Sadly, it's also more likely the niche counter is small, skirting employment law w/ illegal servers wages for their cashiers compared to McDonalds who is going to have a full range of benefits.

boring_twenties 7y ago

Even thieves and murderers understand this, https://youtu.be/V4sbYy0WdGQ https://youtu.be/V4sbYy0WdGQ :)