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We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark afte

We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark after that.

pg_is_a_butt 7y ago
What if the price without jacking was still too much? Disclose the data. Disclose the scalability.
nambit 7y ago
Will you guys be transparent on the pricing then?
- pbiggar 7y ago
  Absolutely! We don't have any pricing right now because we have not done any work to figure out what the pricing will be.
  - carapace 7y ago
    Huh, but you have investors, eh? :-) What about this: pass through infrastructure cost with a wee markup for maintenance/support and negotiate a modest percentage of gross revenue from your successful client companies. That way you have a low-risk "farm" of potential big hits, and your users have stable costs.
pg_bot 7y ago
Paul, the incentives you've put into place with this business will destroy your company. The proposition you've set up for developers is to build their buildings on land you still own. Established developers already understand the risks associated with this practice and will avoid you. At some point if anyone manages to build a business with darklang you will have them over a barrel and they will accept any cost increase below what it would take to switch away from using your platform. If you don't want to raise prices, your successors will. I don't think this idea will work since there are too many viable options in the marketplace, and people are smart so they will avoid lock-in when they can.
- linux2647 7y ago
  How is this different than running on certain cloud providers? For instance, a team can become deeply integrated with AWS services and then have trouble moving off if AWS starts raising prices.
  - pg_bot 7y ago
    AWS has competition, there is only one darklang. While it certainly would be difficult for most to move away from their cloud providers, it can be done. Almost all cloud providers are just packaging together open technologies with their established internal conventions. There is a world of difference between "this is a pain in the butt and we should have planned better" and "you have to start over completely from scratch".
    - TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
      And you can actually do a gradual migration from AWS to another service! With the fully closed system of Dark that seems like it would be difficult.
  - inimino 7y ago
    How is using APIs for deployment and scaling (from one of the biggest companies in the world) different from writing your entire codebase in a new language introduced by a brand new startup?
eternalny1 7y ago
> so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive Maybe right now, if the funds are there. But what about in the future, where revenue is required to keep it alive? These comparisons to Amazon are unfounded, because Amazon is not going to create a blog post one day alerting their customers that AWS is shutting down. AWS was built because Amazon needs it, and people knew that when they signed up. It's not going anywhere.

We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark after that.

pg_is_a_butt 7y ago

What if the price without jacking was still too much? Disclose the data. Disclose the scalability.

nambit 7y ago

Will you guys be transparent on the pricing then?

pbiggar 7y ago
Absolutely! We don't have any pricing right now because we have not done any work to figure out what the pricing will be.
- carapace 7y ago
  Huh, but you have investors, eh? :-) What about this: pass through infrastructure cost with a wee markup for maintenance/support and negotiate a modest percentage of gross revenue from your successful client companies. That way you have a low-risk "farm" of potential big hits, and your users have stable costs.

pg_bot 7y ago

Paul, the incentives you've put into place with this business will destroy your company. The proposition you've set up for developers is to build their buildings on land you still own. Established developers already understand the risks associated with this practice and will avoid you. At some point if anyone manages to build a business with darklang you will have them over a barrel and they will accept any cost increase below what it would take to switch away from using your platform. If you don't want to raise prices, your successors will. I don't think this idea will work since there are too many viable options in the marketplace, and people are smart so they will avoid lock-in when they can.

linux2647 7y ago
How is this different than running on certain cloud providers? For instance, a team can become deeply integrated with AWS services and then have trouble moving off if AWS starts raising prices.
- pg_bot 7y ago
  AWS has competition, there is only one darklang. While it certainly would be difficult for most to move away from their cloud providers, it can be done. Almost all cloud providers are just packaging together open technologies with their established internal conventions. There is a world of difference between "this is a pain in the butt and we should have planned better" and "you have to start over completely from scratch".
  - TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
    And you can actually do a gradual migration from AWS to another service! With the fully closed system of Dark that seems like it would be difficult.
- inimino 7y ago
  How is using APIs for deployment and scaling (from one of the biggest companies in the world) different from writing your entire codebase in a new language introduced by a brand new startup?

eternalny1 7y ago

> so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive Maybe right now, if the funds are there. But what about in the future, where revenue is required to keep it alive? These comparisons to Amazon are unfounded, because Amazon is not going to create a blog post one day alerting their customers that AWS is shutting down. AWS was built because Amazon needs it, and people knew that when they signed up. It's not going anywhere.