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This seems like a mis-characterization of the information in the article. According to the piece, Snowden provided this data to the South China Morning Post dir

This seems like a mis-characterization of the information in the article. According to the piece, Snowden provided this data to the South China Morning Post directly, not the Chinese government. This article also makes no mention of this information being used as an attempt to gain asylum in Hong Kong.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
> According to the piece, Snowden provided this data to the South China Morning Post directly A newspaper that must hand over any data it has to the Chinese government upon request but is already fully surveiled by that government anyway, as anybody (even a high school dropout) can figure out. > This article also makes no mention of this information being used as an attempt to gain asylum in Hong Kong. He made it clear that he was attempting to gain asylum in Hong Kong (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us-extradition-fight https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden...). What reason does he have to divulge details of the NSA's (not illegal) hacking of Chinese infrastructure other than to try to help his case?
- Huycfhct 7y ago
  That's no clear in any way that a HK newspaper has to pass info to the communist party. Separate legal system. Hence the protest about an "extradition" law
- cmiles74 7y ago
  The Guardian article mentioned doesn't state that he provided the information on NSA cracking attempts of civilian Hong Kong and Chinese targets as an attempt to gain legal asylum. On the contrary, Edward Snowden maintains that he provided the data as further evidence that the NSA was targeting civilians, a claim that the NSA at the time contradicted. > Snowden said he was releasing the information to demonstrate "the hypocrisy of the US government when it claims that it does not target civilian infrastructure, unlike its adversaries".
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    That is a ridiculous excuse. The US has never claimed that it does not target civilian infrastructure. Snowden made that claim up out of whole cloth to justify his actions.
    - cmiles74 7y ago
      Edward Snowden has been hitting on this point for a long time. This is from an article from 2014[0]: “It’s no secret that we hack China very aggressively,” he says. “But we’ve crossed lines. We’re hacking universities and hospitals and wholly civilian infrastructure rather than actual government targets and military targets. And that’s a real concern.” I don't think that you can in good conscience argue that the NSA has been open and clear about their attacks on foreign civilian targets. The Obama administration repeatedly attempted to draw a line between the sort of hacking the US performed, for national security reasons, and the kind of "cyber espionage" that China and Russia were undertaking. [0]: https://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/ https://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/
      - lern_too_spel 7y ago
        Nowhere in your whole comment have you given any evidence for Snowden's ridiculous claim that the US has said it does not target civilian infrastructure.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

> According to the piece, Snowden provided this data to the South China Morning Post directly A newspaper that must hand over any data it has to the Chinese government upon request but is already fully surveiled by that government anyway, as anybody (even a high school dropout) can figure out. > This article also makes no mention of this information being used as an attempt to gain asylum in Hong Kong. He made it clear that he was attempting to gain asylum in Hong Kong (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us-extradition-fight https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden...). What reason does he have to divulge details of the NSA's (not illegal) hacking of Chinese infrastructure other than to try to help his case?

Huycfhct 7y ago
That's no clear in any way that a HK newspaper has to pass info to the communist party. Separate legal system. Hence the protest about an "extradition" law
cmiles74 7y ago
The Guardian article mentioned doesn't state that he provided the information on NSA cracking attempts of civilian Hong Kong and Chinese targets as an attempt to gain legal asylum. On the contrary, Edward Snowden maintains that he provided the data as further evidence that the NSA was targeting civilians, a claim that the NSA at the time contradicted. > Snowden said he was releasing the information to demonstrate "the hypocrisy of the US government when it claims that it does not target civilian infrastructure, unlike its adversaries".
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  That is a ridiculous excuse. The US has never claimed that it does not target civilian infrastructure. Snowden made that claim up out of whole cloth to justify his actions.
  - cmiles74 7y ago
    Edward Snowden has been hitting on this point for a long time. This is from an article from 2014[0]: “It’s no secret that we hack China very aggressively,” he says. “But we’ve crossed lines. We’re hacking universities and hospitals and wholly civilian infrastructure rather than actual government targets and military targets. And that’s a real concern.” I don't think that you can in good conscience argue that the NSA has been open and clear about their attacks on foreign civilian targets. The Obama administration repeatedly attempted to draw a line between the sort of hacking the US performed, for national security reasons, and the kind of "cyber espionage" that China and Russia were undertaking. [0]: https://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/ https://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      Nowhere in your whole comment have you given any evidence for Snowden's ridiculous claim that the US has said it does not target civilian infrastructure.