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I'm not sure about Amazon Basics, but with Amazon's Choice products they're plainly not evaluating products before selecting them. LockpickingLawyer on youtub

I'm not sure about Amazon Basics, but with Amazon's Choice products they're plainly not evaluating products before selecting them. LockpickingLawyer on youtube has done reviews on several Amazon's Choice locks and safes and they've all been abysmal borderline fraudulent products.

kortilla 7y ago
Those two programs have nothing to do with each other.
- partialrecall 7y ago
  It reflects poorly on the brand in general. If I can't trust Amazon's Choice, how can I trust anything Amazon decides to put their name on?
  - Spare_account 7y ago
    You can't, and you shouldn't. If this dichotomy is what raised the issue to our attention then we should be glad that it happened.
  - mattrp 7y ago
    Like when prime simply meant two day shipping?
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Amazon's Choice is a purely algorithmic tag decided by the computer. It's utterly meaningless. I guess they change periodically on some reason known only to the code. Amazon Basics must have had at least a couple of humans involved to agree getting it branded Amazon.
- partialrecall 7y ago
  Presumably it was humans who signed off on the premise of Amazon's Choice in the first place. If Amazon is so careless with their brand in that case, as a consumer I'd feel like a sucker if I trusted there brand to mean much when their employees are evaluating products rather than algorithms. Maybe the algorithm seemed like a good idea at the time but later turned sour. If that's the case, why hasn't Amazon yanked the program? If they don't terminate this program when it performs poorly, I don't trust them to keep other programs in line either.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    Well I might have had trust in Amazon as a brand maybe a decade ago, as it got to the brand and product I wanted to buy pretty effectively. They've intentionally diluted it by filling their site with endless marketplace shite, and dodgy searches that hide brand leaders to show no-name garbage, and littering it with adverts for other no-name garbage. It's quite often I struggle to find the listing for the market leader directly, but end up there via a few "customers also bought/looked at" links. I go to Amazon less and less as a result. So assuming Bezos isn't a complete numpty, that's intentional. Maybe Amazon's brand is completely disposable to fund Blue Streak. Today I got more trust in Poundshop and eBay that I will get the right product easily than I do in Amazon. The old department stores, many now failed, sank or swam on the strength of their brand being a real indicator of quality.
    - partialrecall 7y ago
      Amazon employees have complained to Bezos about the state of Amazon's search. Bezos' response every time I've heard it is along the lines of "meh, I think our search is pretty good, quit your complaining." Maybe it's intentional, or maybe he's deluded. I don't know. But either way, I doubt it's going to get fixed any time soon.
      - ryandrake 7y ago
        Maybe an urban legend, but I thought I read somewhere that the version of Amazon that Bezos personally sees is quite different than the one you and I see, due to all his various little one-off complaints and product micromanagement. Legend has it that engineering gave up trying to make sense of the requests and just gave him his own environment that does everything he thinks it should do. If true, then the search he sees might actually be pretty good for him.
senderista 7y ago
"Amazon's Choice" was given to products in gross violation of US health and safety regulations, as revealed by a previous WSJ article.
Chirael 7y ago
To be fair, they're generally around the same quality as Master locks. :D
bearcobra 7y ago
I really enjoy the LockpickingLawyer's videos, but I'd imagine that the threat model of the average Amazon (or Walmart/Home Depot/etc.) buyer is such that any basic lock is enough deterrence for 95%+ of scenarios. It could just be that their evaluation criteria don't match his.
- wmeredith 7y ago
  You are correct. Locks keep honest people honest.
  - paulmd 7y ago
    That should really be the takeaway from any of his videos. Anything you buy consumer-grade can be cracked instantly by a skilled locksmith or within maybe a few tens of minutes by an average thief. The number of locks that I've ever really seen him struggle to pick can probably be counted on a single hand. Like a safe - a lock buys you time, and hopefully the thief chooses a loud method of entry that attracts attention.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    I don't think that statement makes any sense. Why do honest people need anything to keep them honest? Probably something more like: locks marginally aid in diverting lazy / opportunistic thieves.
    - Izkata 7y ago
      > Why do honest people need anything to keep them honest? Curiosity and children.
  - completelylegit 7y ago
    Locks keep lock-picking ignorant and insufficiently motivated dishonest people honest too.
- partialrecall 7y ago
  I get the "thieves don't pick locks" thing, but I really think it's sleazy as hell if a lock marketed as "high security" can be raked open in one second. That's a low-skill attack. In this case he didn't even have to rake it, because the locks were unshielded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ1_P5oqf6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ1_P5oqf6Y An unshielded padlock may as well be a warded lock like you'd find on a child's diary.
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qes 7y ago
> LockpickingLawyer on youtube has done reviews on several Amazon's Choice locks and safes and they've all been abysmal borderline fraudulent products. So basically Amazon's Choice locks are about the same as 95% of consumer locks on the market.
ummwhat 7y ago
In fairness, very few locks can stand up to LPL for very long.
Smithalicious 7y ago
>they've all been abysmal borderline fraudulent products. Isn't this just a property of most locks in general? I was under the impression that there are very few consumer locks that will stand up to someone with tools and a weekend of practice.

kortilla 7y ago

Those two programs have nothing to do with each other.

partialrecall 7y ago
It reflects poorly on the brand in general. If I can't trust Amazon's Choice, how can I trust anything Amazon decides to put their name on?
- Spare_account 7y ago
  You can't, and you shouldn't. If this dichotomy is what raised the issue to our attention then we should be glad that it happened.
- mattrp 7y ago
  Like when prime simply meant two day shipping?

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

Amazon's Choice is a purely algorithmic tag decided by the computer. It's utterly meaningless. I guess they change periodically on some reason known only to the code. Amazon Basics must have had at least a couple of humans involved to agree getting it branded Amazon.

partialrecall 7y ago
Presumably it was humans who signed off on the premise of Amazon's Choice in the first place. If Amazon is so careless with their brand in that case, as a consumer I'd feel like a sucker if I trusted there brand to mean much when their employees are evaluating products rather than algorithms. Maybe the algorithm seemed like a good idea at the time but later turned sour. If that's the case, why hasn't Amazon yanked the program? If they don't terminate this program when it performs poorly, I don't trust them to keep other programs in line either.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Well I might have had trust in Amazon as a brand maybe a decade ago, as it got to the brand and product I wanted to buy pretty effectively. They've intentionally diluted it by filling their site with endless marketplace shite, and dodgy searches that hide brand leaders to show no-name garbage, and littering it with adverts for other no-name garbage. It's quite often I struggle to find the listing for the market leader directly, but end up there via a few "customers also bought/looked at" links. I go to Amazon less and less as a result. So assuming Bezos isn't a complete numpty, that's intentional. Maybe Amazon's brand is completely disposable to fund Blue Streak. Today I got more trust in Poundshop and eBay that I will get the right product easily than I do in Amazon. The old department stores, many now failed, sank or swam on the strength of their brand being a real indicator of quality.
  - partialrecall 7y ago
    Amazon employees have complained to Bezos about the state of Amazon's search. Bezos' response every time I've heard it is along the lines of "meh, I think our search is pretty good, quit your complaining." Maybe it's intentional, or maybe he's deluded. I don't know. But either way, I doubt it's going to get fixed any time soon.
    - ryandrake 7y ago
      Maybe an urban legend, but I thought I read somewhere that the version of Amazon that Bezos personally sees is quite different than the one you and I see, due to all his various little one-off complaints and product micromanagement. Legend has it that engineering gave up trying to make sense of the requests and just gave him his own environment that does everything he thinks it should do. If true, then the search he sees might actually be pretty good for him.

senderista 7y ago

"Amazon's Choice" was given to products in gross violation of US health and safety regulations, as revealed by a previous WSJ article.

Chirael 7y ago

To be fair, they're generally around the same quality as Master locks. :D

bearcobra 7y ago

I really enjoy the LockpickingLawyer's videos, but I'd imagine that the threat model of the average Amazon (or Walmart/Home Depot/etc.) buyer is such that any basic lock is enough deterrence for 95%+ of scenarios. It could just be that their evaluation criteria don't match his.

wmeredith 7y ago
You are correct. Locks keep honest people honest.
- paulmd 7y ago
  That should really be the takeaway from any of his videos. Anything you buy consumer-grade can be cracked instantly by a skilled locksmith or within maybe a few tens of minutes by an average thief. The number of locks that I've ever really seen him struggle to pick can probably be counted on a single hand. Like a safe - a lock buys you time, and hopefully the thief chooses a loud method of entry that attracts attention.
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  I don't think that statement makes any sense. Why do honest people need anything to keep them honest? Probably something more like: locks marginally aid in diverting lazy / opportunistic thieves.
  - Izkata 7y ago
    > Why do honest people need anything to keep them honest? Curiosity and children.
- completelylegit 7y ago
  Locks keep lock-picking ignorant and insufficiently motivated dishonest people honest too.
partialrecall 7y ago
I get the "thieves don't pick locks" thing, but I really think it's sleazy as hell if a lock marketed as "high security" can be raked open in one second. That's a low-skill attack. In this case he didn't even have to rake it, because the locks were unshielded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ1_P5oqf6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ1_P5oqf6Y An unshielded padlock may as well be a warded lock like you'd find on a child's diary.

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qes 7y ago

> LockpickingLawyer on youtube has done reviews on several Amazon's Choice locks and safes and they've all been abysmal borderline fraudulent products. So basically Amazon's Choice locks are about the same as 95% of consumer locks on the market.

ummwhat 7y ago

In fairness, very few locks can stand up to LPL for very long.

Smithalicious 7y ago

>they've all been abysmal borderline fraudulent products. Isn't this just a property of most locks in general? I was under the impression that there are very few consumer locks that will stand up to someone with tools and a weekend of practice.