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Should have? Sure. Given how his administration treated Chelsea Manning idk why we'd expect that.

by ndarwincorn 7y ago

ceejayoz 7y ago
Obama released Manning. Commuted her sentence decades early.
- satori99 7y ago
  His administration also prosecuted more whistle-blowers under the Espionage Act, than all of his predecessors combined.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    For a grand total of eleven prosecutions since 1945. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10... Twice of nearly nothing is still nearly nothing... and the claim being made here was that Manning, specifically, was mistreated by Obama. Manning was convicted under Bush and had her sentence commuted by Obama; I'm dubious that the specific case can be taken as "Obama mean to Manning".
    - ndarwincorn 7y ago
      >convicted under Bush What kind of revisionist history is this? She didn't whistleblow until 2010. She wasn't convicted until 2013. Hell she wasn't even assigned to intelligence under Bush. I remember arguing with my family (lifelong Democratic party members who aren't as leftist as me) that she was fulfilling Obama's transparency promises for him. Promises it was clear he wouldn't be keeping as early as the Telco immunity bill during the 08 primary.
      - ceejayoz 7y ago
        My apologies, that's me mixing up dates of Obama's presidency for some reason. You're right.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Obama released Manning. In the closing days of the administration, and with the anonymous officials they sent out to explain the decision sharply contrasting Manning's case with Snowden's. So, again, the treatment of Manning even including the commutation as Obama was on the way out provided no reason to expect anything but a cold shoulder to Snowden.
- ndarwincorn 7y ago
  On top of what other folks have pointed out, you should look at how she was treated during her time in prison. It is to his credit that he made that particular wrong right by commuting her sentence, but as others pointed out his administration did everything in their power to differentiate that from Snowden.

Should have? Sure. Given how his administration treated Chelsea Manning idk why we'd expect that.

ceejayoz 7y ago

Obama released Manning. Commuted her sentence decades early.

satori99 7y ago
His administration also prosecuted more whistle-blowers under the Espionage Act, than all of his predecessors combined.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  For a grand total of eleven prosecutions since 1945. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10... Twice of nearly nothing is still nearly nothing... and the claim being made here was that Manning, specifically, was mistreated by Obama. Manning was convicted under Bush and had her sentence commuted by Obama; I'm dubious that the specific case can be taken as "Obama mean to Manning".
  - ndarwincorn 7y ago
    >convicted under Bush What kind of revisionist history is this? She didn't whistleblow until 2010. She wasn't convicted until 2013. Hell she wasn't even assigned to intelligence under Bush. I remember arguing with my family (lifelong Democratic party members who aren't as leftist as me) that she was fulfilling Obama's transparency promises for him. Promises it was clear he wouldn't be keeping as early as the Telco immunity bill during the 08 primary.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      My apologies, that's me mixing up dates of Obama's presidency for some reason. You're right.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Obama released Manning. In the closing days of the administration, and with the anonymous officials they sent out to explain the decision sharply contrasting Manning's case with Snowden's. So, again, the treatment of Manning even including the commutation as Obama was on the way out provided no reason to expect anything but a cold shoulder to Snowden.
ndarwincorn 7y ago
On top of what other folks have pointed out, you should look at how she was treated during her time in prison. It is to his credit that he made that particular wrong right by commuting her sentence, but as others pointed out his administration did everything in their power to differentiate that from Snowden.