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I like Elm as a language, but the community is extremely toxic, and it's not production-ready yet (version < 1.0, one-person project). Too bad, because it's a g

I like Elm as a language, but the community is extremely toxic, and it's not production-ready yet (version < 1.0, one-person project). Too bad, because it's a great project.

iamwil 7y ago
How is it toxic? All the comms I've read from Evan were pretty polite.
crtlaltdel 7y ago
can you site some sources for the “extremely toxic” community? genuinely curious
- zinclozenge 7y ago
  richard feldman, evan's colleague, is not exactly a nice person on the internet. There are several times where he's ranted or had a temper tantrum for no particularly good reason. now he alone does not make up the "community", but he's certainly a prominent member of it.
- sacado2 7y ago
  I've seen people banned from official forums because they disagreed with design decisions. And several threads locked with messages like "oh yeah, haha, we don't really want you to talk about that" (https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/elm-0-19-released-what-has-changed-regarding-native-event-modules/1670 https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/elm-0-19-released-what-has-... for instance) And the github forum rules are a little "threatening" (https://github.com/elm/forum-rules/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/elm/forum-rules/blob/master/README.md).
whateveracct 7y ago
> not production ready (version < 1.0, one-person project) This is FUD. Elm is being used pretty successfully in production.
- sacado2 7y ago
  This is not FUD. Using it in production is a risky bet. And I say that as someon using Elm in production. We use it in a short-term, demo project. The project was started using version 0.18. Now we're stuck, either we rewrite huge parts of the app (and we don't have time for that), or we're stuck with older versions of the libs. This is not something you can afford to do with a long-running, critical app, or at least you have to know you're taking some risks. It's a tradeoff. Also, what would happen to Elm if the author suddenly died?
seddona 7y ago
Many companies rely on Elm now it’s definitely production ready.
christophilus 7y ago
Anecdote to counter your anecdote: I don't find the Elm community to be toxic at all. Pretty much the opposite.
- sacado2 7y ago
  Great! That's a very subjective opinion anyway.

I like Elm as a language, but the community is extremely toxic, and it's not production-ready yet (version < 1.0, one-person project). Too bad, because it's a great project.

iamwil 7y ago

How is it toxic? All the comms I've read from Evan were pretty polite.

crtlaltdel 7y ago

can you site some sources for the “extremely toxic” community? genuinely curious

zinclozenge 7y ago
richard feldman, evan's colleague, is not exactly a nice person on the internet. There are several times where he's ranted or had a temper tantrum for no particularly good reason. now he alone does not make up the "community", but he's certainly a prominent member of it.
sacado2 7y ago
I've seen people banned from official forums because they disagreed with design decisions. And several threads locked with messages like "oh yeah, haha, we don't really want you to talk about that" (https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/elm-0-19-released-what-has-changed-regarding-native-event-modules/1670 https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/elm-0-19-released-what-has-... for instance) And the github forum rules are a little "threatening" (https://github.com/elm/forum-rules/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/elm/forum-rules/blob/master/README.md).

whateveracct 7y ago

> not production ready (version < 1.0, one-person project) This is FUD. Elm is being used pretty successfully in production.

sacado2 7y ago
This is not FUD. Using it in production is a risky bet. And I say that as someon using Elm in production. We use it in a short-term, demo project. The project was started using version 0.18. Now we're stuck, either we rewrite huge parts of the app (and we don't have time for that), or we're stuck with older versions of the libs. This is not something you can afford to do with a long-running, critical app, or at least you have to know you're taking some risks. It's a tradeoff. Also, what would happen to Elm if the author suddenly died?

seddona 7y ago

Many companies rely on Elm now it’s definitely production ready.

christophilus 7y ago

Anecdote to counter your anecdote: I don't find the Elm community to be toxic at all. Pretty much the opposite.

sacado2 7y ago
Great! That's a very subjective opinion anyway.