Well, the oldtimers are all saying that HP went to shit when they spun off Agilent (in 1999, per Wikipedia). And the last remnants of ye olde HP engineering cul

Well, the oldtimers are all saying that HP went to shit when they spun off Agilent (in 1999, per Wikipedia). And the last remnants of ye olde HP engineering culture was trashed when the Compaq vacuum cleaner salespeople took over after the 2002 HP-Compaq merger.