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> "We are a poor country. We have 70 [per cent] people living in rural area. We are very busy, very, very busy working to develop our own country. So these kind

> "We are a poor country. We have 70 [per cent] people living in rural area. We are very busy, very, very busy working to develop our own country. So these kind of stories is really very absurd." Which part of that is a blatant lie?

rosege 7y ago
that they are too poor and busy to spy on their ex-pats in Australia.
- chrischen 7y ago
  What if I called you a liar? Who's to prove me wrong?
  - chrischen 7y ago
    For context, OP changed his comment, but I was replying to his previous comment to point out his hypocrisy.
  - rosege 7y ago
    well if you believe what the ambassador said then I would love to sell you some shares in our harbour bridge.
  - hluska 7y ago
    Spend some time researching Chinese government espionage. Allocate a bit of that time to reading about corporate espionage, but don't get bogged down there - stories about corporate espionage are usually written by media, not government types. Do some independent research. If you are surprised by what you learn, don't feel bad. China is a great country with a rich, wonderful history - a few decades of political decisions does not change that. If you're really surprised by what you learn about espionage (and critically, if you and your family are in a safe place), you might want to read about what happened in 89. As you read and do independent research, you'll find lots of things. Some will be good and others will be bad. There is a lot of truth out there, or at least a lot of strings that you can pull on and unwind to get to the truth. Find some good sources and read as many different points of view as you can. If we share what we know, we can all learn about each other. I'm well aware of the power of spin in western media, so I'm not claiming that my side is right or that any other side is wrong. Just that if we share what we know, we can all learn. If my reference to 89 confuses you, I would be glad to send you some references in a more private way. If you happen to read things and feel bad, my email address is in my profile. I would be glad to tell you millions of good things about China (or alternately, millions of bad things my own country has done).
gonzo41 7y ago
30% of 1 Billion people is a 300 million people. God Australian media sucks.
lordgrenville 7y ago
Well, this paper [1] suggests that at the time it was closer to 40%. But it seems pedantic to quibble on that, there might be differing definitions of urban/rural. OP was of course implying that blanket denial of any spy activity in Australia is absurd. [1] https://res.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-10-02953/article_deploy/sustainability-10-02953.pdf https://res.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-10-02953/...

rosege 7y ago

that they are too poor and busy to spy on their ex-pats in Australia.

chrischen 7y ago
What if I called you a liar? Who's to prove me wrong?
- chrischen 7y ago
  For context, OP changed his comment, but I was replying to his previous comment to point out his hypocrisy.
- rosege 7y ago
  well if you believe what the ambassador said then I would love to sell you some shares in our harbour bridge.
- hluska 7y ago
  Spend some time researching Chinese government espionage. Allocate a bit of that time to reading about corporate espionage, but don't get bogged down there - stories about corporate espionage are usually written by media, not government types. Do some independent research. If you are surprised by what you learn, don't feel bad. China is a great country with a rich, wonderful history - a few decades of political decisions does not change that. If you're really surprised by what you learn about espionage (and critically, if you and your family are in a safe place), you might want to read about what happened in 89. As you read and do independent research, you'll find lots of things. Some will be good and others will be bad. There is a lot of truth out there, or at least a lot of strings that you can pull on and unwind to get to the truth. Find some good sources and read as many different points of view as you can. If we share what we know, we can all learn about each other. I'm well aware of the power of spin in western media, so I'm not claiming that my side is right or that any other side is wrong. Just that if we share what we know, we can all learn. If my reference to 89 confuses you, I would be glad to send you some references in a more private way. If you happen to read things and feel bad, my email address is in my profile. I would be glad to tell you millions of good things about China (or alternately, millions of bad things my own country has done).

gonzo41 7y ago

30% of 1 Billion people is a 300 million people. God Australian media sucks.

lordgrenville 7y ago

Well, this paper [1] suggests that at the time it was closer to 40%. But it seems pedantic to quibble on that, there might be differing definitions of urban/rural. OP was of course implying that blanket denial of any spy activity in Australia is absurd. [1] https://res.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-10-02953/article_deploy/sustainability-10-02953.pdf https://res.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-10-02953/...