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I think if you are starting mobile app development, learn the basics of the 2 main native stacks (iOS, Android). Preferably learn one of them well. A couple of

I think if you are starting mobile app development, learn the basics of the 2 main native stacks (iOS, Android). Preferably learn one of them well. A couple of years ago I might have suggested web (PWA's) as a third kind of 'native' app, but that route seems to have lost traction. In my experience, you'll be a better x-platform developer if you know at least the basics of the native platforms you're targeting. This is not to say that native is the best choice for all apps. You may find that flutter or React Native suit a particular project best. You may ultimately prefer to specialise in one of those. But that's a separate issue from what you should do starting out.

pjmlp 7y ago
Quite the contrary, what I have seen around here is that what would have been a Cordova/Ionic project, nowadays is usually done as PWA.
- crispinb 7y ago
  Well it's only an impression I have. I'm not seeing much use of PWAs in the wild, and there seem to be fewer articles touting them, but that's just my sample. If what you say is true, I'd be pleased.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Even Microsoft has replaced their JavaScript UWP bindings (WinJS) for PWAs. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pwa https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pwa Chrome has added support for PlayStore PWAs (TWA) https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2019/02/using-twa https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2019/02/using-twa And even Apple has improved the support since iOS 12.2.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      The Microsoft example seems a bit desperate - they bombed in mobile so of course they're seeking cross-platform refuge. But are PWAs being used that much for real? Beyond just installable web sites (ie. full offline support with service workers, etc?). I seem to remember Twitter did a nice job with Twitter Lite, but I've never seen anyone use it. Again from memory I think Skype did a quite impressive PWA. I'm a big fan of Checkvist, & they have a PWA which is moving slowly but in a good direction. Anyway, that aside, for a dev wanting to get into the mobile space (which I think was the OP's intent), PWAs would hardly be the best first option for a tech to learn. Surely whatever your personal tastes, you wouldn't disagree?
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        Yes, many digital web agencies are going through that route for mobile web sites, instead of having to deal with native toolchains. Do you also consider Google and Apple's move desperate then? While Microsoft has definitively bombed on phones, they are doing pretty alright on convertible laptops/hybrid tablets. As for best option, I also mentioned a couple of other ones, which I advocate as alternative to PWAs. I see Flutter has a future as bright as CoffeeScript, if it keeps being tied to Dart. As for React Native, it depends on how much one feels like having to deal with JavaScript and the interoperability issue that often happen across Android devices.
        crispinb 7y ago
        It was your invocation of Microsoft's move I considered desperate. You're still studiously avoid mentioning any actual PWAs. I'm someone who wishes PWAs would take over, as I dislike all the OSs and don't want my usage habits or data to be tied to them. But as of now it's not happening, is it? If a person was trying to advise a developer new to mobile apps, with their interests rather than the advisor's tastes in mind, I cannot believe they'd advise PWAs as a primary focus. Learning a platform isn't a forever-decision. A new mobile app developer can always learn new tech as needed. But if they want a start now, they're better off learning what's dominating today.
        lucasverra 7y ago
        - https://eng.uber.com/engineering-uber-lite/ https://eng.uber.com/engineering-uber-lite/ - twitter web - tinder - starbucks loyalty app
        crispinb 7y ago
        I know there are some decent individual examples (indeed I mentioned some myself). I'm just unconvinced that the once-anticipated shift from native apps to PWAs is happening. They are expanding into some niches, but mobile app development is still overwhelmingly native. Certainly for my local job market, only an ideologue, uninterested in the repercussions of their advice, would suggest to a mobile app newbie that they learn PWA tech first - iOS & Android developers will walk into a job anywhere, whereas they'd be hawking for a while to find work building PWAs (though web tech more generally is hot as always of course).
enjoiful 7y ago
PWAs are only getting better.
- crispinb 7y ago
  And? Is this related to my comment? [edit: I ask because I didn't construe the OP as asking for opinions on the merits of the different platforms, but rather what would be best for them to learn as a mobile app beginner. Of course everyone ignores the question and leaps on their own barrow, but that's the internet for you. I expressed no view regarding the web as a mobile platform]

pjmlp 7y ago

Quite the contrary, what I have seen around here is that what would have been a Cordova/Ionic project, nowadays is usually done as PWA.

crispinb 7y ago
Well it's only an impression I have. I'm not seeing much use of PWAs in the wild, and there seem to be fewer articles touting them, but that's just my sample. If what you say is true, I'd be pleased.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Even Microsoft has replaced their JavaScript UWP bindings (WinJS) for PWAs. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pwa https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pwa Chrome has added support for PlayStore PWAs (TWA) https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2019/02/using-twa https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2019/02/using-twa And even Apple has improved the support since iOS 12.2.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    The Microsoft example seems a bit desperate - they bombed in mobile so of course they're seeking cross-platform refuge. But are PWAs being used that much for real? Beyond just installable web sites (ie. full offline support with service workers, etc?). I seem to remember Twitter did a nice job with Twitter Lite, but I've never seen anyone use it. Again from memory I think Skype did a quite impressive PWA. I'm a big fan of Checkvist, & they have a PWA which is moving slowly but in a good direction. Anyway, that aside, for a dev wanting to get into the mobile space (which I think was the OP's intent), PWAs would hardly be the best first option for a tech to learn. Surely whatever your personal tastes, you wouldn't disagree?
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Yes, many digital web agencies are going through that route for mobile web sites, instead of having to deal with native toolchains. Do you also consider Google and Apple's move desperate then? While Microsoft has definitively bombed on phones, they are doing pretty alright on convertible laptops/hybrid tablets. As for best option, I also mentioned a couple of other ones, which I advocate as alternative to PWAs. I see Flutter has a future as bright as CoffeeScript, if it keeps being tied to Dart. As for React Native, it depends on how much one feels like having to deal with JavaScript and the interoperability issue that often happen across Android devices.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        It was your invocation of Microsoft's move I considered desperate. You're still studiously avoid mentioning any actual PWAs. I'm someone who wishes PWAs would take over, as I dislike all the OSs and don't want my usage habits or data to be tied to them. But as of now it's not happening, is it? If a person was trying to advise a developer new to mobile apps, with their interests rather than the advisor's tastes in mind, I cannot believe they'd advise PWAs as a primary focus. Learning a platform isn't a forever-decision. A new mobile app developer can always learn new tech as needed. But if they want a start now, they're better off learning what's dominating today.
        lucasverra 7y ago
        - https://eng.uber.com/engineering-uber-lite/ https://eng.uber.com/engineering-uber-lite/ - twitter web - tinder - starbucks loyalty app
        crispinb 7y ago
        I know there are some decent individual examples (indeed I mentioned some myself). I'm just unconvinced that the once-anticipated shift from native apps to PWAs is happening. They are expanding into some niches, but mobile app development is still overwhelmingly native. Certainly for my local job market, only an ideologue, uninterested in the repercussions of their advice, would suggest to a mobile app newbie that they learn PWA tech first - iOS & Android developers will walk into a job anywhere, whereas they'd be hawking for a while to find work building PWAs (though web tech more generally is hot as always of course).

enjoiful 7y ago

PWAs are only getting better.

crispinb 7y ago
And? Is this related to my comment? [edit: I ask because I didn't construe the OP as asking for opinions on the merits of the different platforms, but rather what would be best for them to learn as a mobile app beginner. Of course everyone ignores the question and leaps on their own barrow, but that's the internet for you. I expressed no view regarding the web as a mobile platform]