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Interesting article just on the missile evidence from prior attacks. Probably the most detailed out there. However, other conclusions here seem rather out of pl
by forget1t 7y ago
Interesting article just on the missile evidence from prior attacks. Probably the most detailed out there. However, other conclusions here seem rather out of place.
If this is a crime, then any crime investigation should examine motive, timing and means.
Few recent geopolitical details to keep in mind:
1 - Trump administration just fired the #1 anti-Iran hawk (Bolton) and signaled interest in talking with "no conditions" with the Iranian regime. This would entirely change the Iranian position in the region [1]. It suggest lunacy from an otherwise calculating regime to jeopardize this potential new chapter.
2 - Iran just signed a $280 billion investment deal with China. Which includes presence of 5000 Chinese "security" forces. Essentially creating a Chinese military base across the waters from the US military base [2]. Iran would not want to escalate into a war before it has chance to land the Chinese forces on the ground and use them as a deterrent.
Do keep in mind, aside from the impact of the $280B investment in Iranian infrastructure and oil sector, it essentially makes Chinese currency the second currency of oil trade.
The oil trade in $USD is one of the most important and financial power that America has. This is something started during the Nixon era as a way to deal with the budget deficits needs of paying for the Vietnam war and it has continued ever since ensuing stability of $USD as we print money [3]
Just looking at these, you can make an argument there are multiple entities interested in either breaking any possibility of meeting between US and Iran, as clearly Trump has already walked backwards about "no condition" talk statements [4].
These entities with most to lose from a Trump/Iran meeting are:
Saudi Arabia
Israel
Looking at the imagery and precision of these hits, you almost wonder if the attacks might have come from something else. Not to mention we've already had attacks on ships in the Persian Gulf with the original narrative disputed [5] and following a precision attack from a "flying objects" possibly a missile.
Given that the only evidence to Quds is a destroyed missile image from Saudi Arabia (a rather partial entity) from past and there are no actual evidence yet from the attack sites itself, you can as easily look at who has most to gain from a military confrontation with Iran or the very least stopping any diplomatic rapprochement between US and the Iranian regime. A case can be made for both Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Then there is the questions of the means.
On Israel there are multiple options.
1, Israel has some of the most stealth submarines in the world that they got from Germany. It is equipped with a cruise missile [6]
2, Israel can also strike from the air from a distance. Israel recently hit Iraq [7] and it has stealth ability to fly close to the Kuwait border to fire their cruise missiles [8]
The point I'm making, while you can make a case for Iran, you can as easily make the case for Israel. Given the biggest beneficiary of this latest escalation are probably the Israelis (please do not hate me for saying this) we should equally look at this possibility.
Lastly, these missile might have come for the "rebels" in Yemen. It's hard to imagine how an impoverished country could make something like this. Import the parts and everything else and then manufacture and test it. Obviously you could look at Iran as the source, however, there is one more regional player who benefits from the Saudi-Yemen war quagmire which is Qatar.
Saudi Arabia (or rather MBS) began a siege of Qatar and gave an ultimatum of invasion and overthrow of the country's rulers. Despite numerous back channel efforts there is no easing on the tension between Qatar and Saudi Arabia [9] A case can be made that Qatar would want to support the "rebels" and prolong the Saudi-Yemen conflict as long as possible to get leverage over the Saudis.
[1] https://theintercept.com/2019/09/15/threatening-war-oil-donald-trump-rails-media-not-forgetting-offered-iran-talks/ https://theintercept.com/2019/09/15/threatening-war-oil-dona...
[2] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190907-a-blow-to-washington-china-to-invest-280-billion-in-iranian-sectors-targeted-by-sanctions/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190907-a-blow-to-washing...
[3] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petro...,
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untol...
[4] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco-attacks-trump-meeting/trump-says-incorrect-he-is-willing-to-meet-iran-with-no-conditions-idUSKBN1W00VV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco-attacks-trum...
[5] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-tanker-japan-damage/flying-objects-damaged-japanese-tanker-during-attack-in-gulf-of-oman-idUSKCN1TF0M9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-tanker-japan-dama...
[6] https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-submarine-capabilities/ https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-submarine-capab...
[7] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/officials-confirm-israel-air-raid-iraq-190823094346731.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/officials-confirm-isr...
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delilah_(missile) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delilah_(missile)
[9] https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/saudi-qatar-hopes-for-mediation-go-up-in-smoke-29669 https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/saudi-qatar-hopes-for-m...
- saberdancer 7y agoThis kind of analysis is really reaching. I'm not going to adress each point but talk in more general terms. Iran is not going to play by the book, they've shown multiple times they are willing to escalate things when it looks like deescalation is more logical choice. One of recent examples is when they shot down a US drone. What is the reason for this is unclear, it's possible that hardliners in Iran have control over parts of the military, and that they push for escalation whenever there is a situation to deescalate things with USA. Another option is that there is no divide in Iran, but that is it well orchestrated "madman" tactic to make USA willing to make bigger concessions. Rest of the analysis completely ignores the facts that Houthi's are receiving or using Iran built or Iran designed weapons, not just cruise missiles but anti air missiles as well. It is a huge leap of faith to assume that some other country in a false flag created a missile that resembles known Houthi weapons or that multiple countries created a fake narrative that fit Houthi attack. And after that, Houthi's played into that false flag narrative by taking responsibilities for the attack, even citing methods they used to do the attack (methods seem to be fake, but the point stands). This theory of a false flag attack makes no sense. It would take several countries with conflicting interests to cooperate (Houthis claiming responsibility, Saudi Arabia accepting huge material losses and faking a rocket in the desert, Israel conducting a stealthy attack far away from their borders, Iran playing along and not exposing it...)
- zyxzevn 7y agoSaudi Arabia also has a lot to win by inciting a war with Iran. And their government is certainly not afraid of killing off some civilians. So this needs to investigated from all angles. Every party could be guilty. And the solution should find a way towards peace instead of towards war. That is the only way to build a stable society for the people.
- zyxzevn 7y agoUpdate by Former Pentagon Official: No evidence Iran attacked Saudi oil fields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iM7lcTL2Rs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iM7lcTL2Rs The drones/cruise-missiles came from north / north-west. Not straight from Iran, but from a source in Iraq. ..If this information is correct.