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The point is not what the US believes citizenship to be. It is what rights do people have and what is the response of a civilized government to those rights?

The point is not what the US believes citizenship to be. It is what rights do people have and what is the response of a civilized government to those rights? A civilized government will protect the rights of its citizens. An uncivilized one believes that the citizens somehow belong to it and must do its bidding and be dependent upon it. The CCP does not have the best interests of these people in mind - it only has its own interests in mind and is using these people as pawns.

sandworm101 7y ago
>> An uncivilized one believes that the citizens somehow belong to it and must do its biddin Those in glass houses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System "All male U.S. citizens and male immigrant non-citizens, who are between the ages of 18 and 25 are required by law to have registered within 30 days of their 18th birthdays"
- maratd 7y ago
  Registration! Scary! It's an index-sized paper form you fill out. That's it. The draft isn't coming back and there has been no instance of it coming back in any capacity in over 50 years. So no glass houses here, thanks.
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    Also even if drafted after registration it was avoidable. You can be a conscientious objector. You can leave the country bc. in the us we don't check your Id when you leave, unlike China. You could go to Canada. And we don't draft people anymore but we do register them. There's a tiny tinge of comparison but it's not the same as holding your kids hostage if you are on the political outs.
    - chillacy 7y ago
      Doesn't being a CO sometimes result in prison? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector
    - thefringthing 7y ago
      During the Vietnam war, you could "go to Canada" basically only because Pierre Trudeau instructed the border guard to allow Americans who seemed like they might be draft dodgers to immigrate illegally. No guarantees there will be another arrangement like that next time.
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sandworm101 7y ago

>> An uncivilized one believes that the citizens somehow belong to it and must do its biddin Those in glass houses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System "All male U.S. citizens and male immigrant non-citizens, who are between the ages of 18 and 25 are required by law to have registered within 30 days of their 18th birthdays"

maratd 7y ago
Registration! Scary! It's an index-sized paper form you fill out. That's it. The draft isn't coming back and there has been no instance of it coming back in any capacity in over 50 years. So no glass houses here, thanks.
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  Also even if drafted after registration it was avoidable. You can be a conscientious objector. You can leave the country bc. in the us we don't check your Id when you leave, unlike China. You could go to Canada. And we don't draft people anymore but we do register them. There's a tiny tinge of comparison but it's not the same as holding your kids hostage if you are on the political outs.
  - chillacy 7y ago
    Doesn't being a CO sometimes result in prison? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector
  - thefringthing 7y ago
    During the Vietnam war, you could "go to Canada" basically only because Pierre Trudeau instructed the border guard to allow Americans who seemed like they might be draft dodgers to immigrate illegally. No guarantees there will be another arrangement like that next time.
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