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Other side of that coin is America using entry bans as a political tool. Lots of families here in the US have family abroad that aren't allowed to enter the cou

Other side of that coin is America using entry bans as a political tool. Lots of families here in the US have family abroad that aren't allowed to enter the country and reunite, because banning an entire country due to "terrorism" looks good at the polls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13780#Current_status_of_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13780#Current_... Who is downvoting this? Explain yourselves.

umvi 7y ago
That's... not really the same. One of them is Hotel California, the other you are inconvenienced for where your family reunions will happen.
- peterwwillis 7y ago
  One of them is Hotel California, the other is "I would like to see my mother again and have her meet my children, but she isn't allowed in the country," or "my brother is stuck in a war-torn country and I can't get him out." It's not just an inconvenience, it's families that are forcibly separated for totally bullshit reasons. (In addition it's "I can't take a job in the US", "I can't support my family members in time of crisis", and so on) Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/americas/travel-ban-trump-how-it-works.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/americas/travel-ban... - The number of people who fall under the ban exceeds 135 million - The majority are in the five Muslim-majority nations, led by Iran, with a population of more than 80 million "The executive order "affects the lives and families" of at least 187 Google employees" (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/williamalden/nearly-200-google-employees-are-affected-by-trumps-immigrati https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/williamalden/nearly-200...) https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2017/02/09/414802/the-real-effect-of-trumps-muslim-ban/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2017/02/09... "Dr. Suha Abushamma, 26, is an internal medicine resident at the Cleveland Clinic. Although she had an H-1B visa for workers in “specialty occupations,” which should allow her to enter, live, and work in the United States, Abushamma was not permitted to enter the country. Abushamma holds a passport from Sudan, which is one of the banned nations." "Sahar Algonaimi, 60, was detained for five hours at Chicago O’Hare International Airport following the issuance of the executive order. Algonaimi, a Syrian national, had traveled to the United States from Saudi Arabia to visit her 76-year-old mother who is recovering from surgery for breast cancer. Although she held a U.S. visa and had planned to stay in the country for a week, she was she was forced to board a flight to the United Arab Emirates instead of being allowed to clear customs." "“I needed someone to be with me here,” Ulayyet said through tears at the hospital. “How am I going to teach my kids and tell them that this is a free country? How can we tell my kids that we have to take care of each other?”" You don't think these sound similar to the OP?
  - umvi 7y ago
    > One of them is Hotel California, the other is "I would like to see my mother again and have her meet my children, but she isn't allowed in the country," In one of them you are literally a prisoner. In the other you still have options. More like: "I would like to see my mother again, but she is not allowed in the country. Therefore, I will go to her instead, or we will meet in Canada or some other country we are both allowed in. That is quite inconvenient."
    - peterwwillis 7y ago
      They literally aren't prisoners in China, they just can't leave the country. They're free to do as they please in-country. You could easily say that's just an inconvenience too. But that means some people can't go back to their lives in the US, just like some people blocked by the US travel ban can't continue their lives as before. There are multiple ways that both exit and entry bans affect people in significant ways, and both for political reasons.
      - umvi 7y ago
        > They literally aren't prisoners in China, they just can't leave the country. So it's just an exceptionally big prison, but it's still a prison. And once you run out of money, what are you supposed to do? Beg on the streets?

umvi 7y ago

That's... not really the same. One of them is Hotel California, the other you are inconvenienced for where your family reunions will happen.

peterwwillis 7y ago
One of them is Hotel California, the other is "I would like to see my mother again and have her meet my children, but she isn't allowed in the country," or "my brother is stuck in a war-torn country and I can't get him out." It's not just an inconvenience, it's families that are forcibly separated for totally bullshit reasons. (In addition it's "I can't take a job in the US", "I can't support my family members in time of crisis", and so on) Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/americas/travel-ban-trump-how-it-works.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/americas/travel-ban... - The number of people who fall under the ban exceeds 135 million - The majority are in the five Muslim-majority nations, led by Iran, with a population of more than 80 million "The executive order "affects the lives and families" of at least 187 Google employees" (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/williamalden/nearly-200-google-employees-are-affected-by-trumps-immigrati https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/williamalden/nearly-200...) https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2017/02/09/414802/the-real-effect-of-trumps-muslim-ban/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2017/02/09... "Dr. Suha Abushamma, 26, is an internal medicine resident at the Cleveland Clinic. Although she had an H-1B visa for workers in “specialty occupations,” which should allow her to enter, live, and work in the United States, Abushamma was not permitted to enter the country. Abushamma holds a passport from Sudan, which is one of the banned nations." "Sahar Algonaimi, 60, was detained for five hours at Chicago O’Hare International Airport following the issuance of the executive order. Algonaimi, a Syrian national, had traveled to the United States from Saudi Arabia to visit her 76-year-old mother who is recovering from surgery for breast cancer. Although she held a U.S. visa and had planned to stay in the country for a week, she was she was forced to board a flight to the United Arab Emirates instead of being allowed to clear customs." "“I needed someone to be with me here,” Ulayyet said through tears at the hospital. “How am I going to teach my kids and tell them that this is a free country? How can we tell my kids that we have to take care of each other?”" You don't think these sound similar to the OP?
- umvi 7y ago
  > One of them is Hotel California, the other is "I would like to see my mother again and have her meet my children, but she isn't allowed in the country," In one of them you are literally a prisoner. In the other you still have options. More like: "I would like to see my mother again, but she is not allowed in the country. Therefore, I will go to her instead, or we will meet in Canada or some other country we are both allowed in. That is quite inconvenient."
  - peterwwillis 7y ago
    They literally aren't prisoners in China, they just can't leave the country. They're free to do as they please in-country. You could easily say that's just an inconvenience too. But that means some people can't go back to their lives in the US, just like some people blocked by the US travel ban can't continue their lives as before. There are multiple ways that both exit and entry bans affect people in significant ways, and both for political reasons.
    - umvi 7y ago
      > They literally aren't prisoners in China, they just can't leave the country. So it's just an exceptionally big prison, but it's still a prison. And once you run out of money, what are you supposed to do? Beg on the streets?